October 16, 2008
Posted: 202 GMT

The McCain campaign has been talking about William Ayers for weeks and ACORN for days, stressing their ties to Obama. We were wondering if Senator McCain would bring them up tonight. He did. In case you're wondering who they are: Ayers was a member of the Weather Underground, a domestic U.S. terror group that staged deadly attacks on government officials and police officers. He was never tried or punished for the crimes he is alleged to have committed because the government's investigation relied on illegal tactics and was dropped. Ayers did support Obama's early political career and the two men did do community work together. He has lived quietly as a professor in Chicago, in relative obscurity, until this campaign got underway.

ACORN, the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now, is a grass-roots organization that tries to empower the poor through measures that include registering people to vote. ACORN says that it has signed up more than a million people this year. But some of its registration records suggest that its paid workers signed up Mickey Mouse once, and one teenager 73 times, among other allegations in several U.S. states. Obama did legal work for ACORN earlier in his career and has probably picked up the support of many new voters because of its work. Republicans are pushing for an investigation into ACORN's efforts and its ties to the Obama campaign.

We suspected that ACORN and William Ayers would come up, but Joe the Plumber's domination of this debate is a surprise.

As my colleague, CNN Assignment Editor Lauren Kornreich explains, Obama was campaigning in Ohio last weekend and met the man he calls Joe the Plumber. Joe told Obama he was about to buy a company that makes more than $250,000 a year and was concerned that as president, Obama would tax him more because of it.

Obama didn't want to say it tonight, but yes, Obama seemed to suggest then that when Joe the Plumber becomes Joe the Boss, his tax bill probably will go up.

Did McCain score any points by bringing them up?

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Jim Dough   October 16th, 2008 213 GMT

The question of guilt or innocence when the death penalty is involved should be a valid consideration for appeal to the Supreme court, what is the opinion on this of McCain/Obama

Maqsud Sobhani   October 16th, 2008 214 GMT

As Obama said, both he and US Justice Dept represented ACORN in a case. I hope the voters took notice of that.
McCain sounds like a grumpy old man who has nothing to say and only to whine.

Nathan   October 16th, 2008 216 GMT

No McCain didn't gain any ground with that. Obama brought it down and brought it into a logical perspective. Now McCain in just waffling on his pro-life stance.

Sharon   October 16th, 2008 216 GMT

Cheap shots for a desperate man.

vicki   October 16th, 2008 218 GMT

Joe the plumber had some legs for McCain in the beginning, but he beat that horse to death-enough already!
As far as Acorn and Ayres, those were low blows and McCains refusal to either accept, respect or acknowledgle Obama's responses was shameful.
He scored no points in any case.

Eric from the Philippines   October 16th, 2008 218 GMT

Of course not! Ayers and ACORN has nothing to do with the economic troubles that not just Americans are experiencing but the rest of the world as well. McCain should stick to the issue at hand, but to continue to go on the negative, he is at the risk of losing the independents.

McCain needs to win the independent to his side. There are way a lot of excited democrats willing to vote for their candidate in Nov. 4 compared to the registered republicans. Unfortunately today, he is losing it.

Naqvi   October 16th, 2008 223 GMT

Obama should have counter tites with terrorism by asking Miss Palin's ties with AIP ( Alaskan Independce Party.)

helen peper   October 16th, 2008 224 GMT

So, why is there anything wrong about defining "character" in
a person to become a leader? Anything and everything must
be brought about regarding a persons character, morally and
otherwise. Who you hung around with and who you listen to
with your "children and family" in church are issues to be dealt
with from a moral aspect. I am a democrat but still have my
doubts–not with race but CHARACTER.

Nathan   October 16th, 2008 224 GMT

McCain clearly does not seem to think change needs to be made in education. But remember the facts John. Headstart and the reward systems do not work like you think they do.

Concerned Immigrant   October 16th, 2008 226 GMT

McCain has proved that he is an idiot. Ms. Palin has pandered to the hidden fears of many republicans by lying about Obama's relationship with Mr. Ayers. it is obvious that she was acting out of desperation and that there was no merit to her claims. McCain should have known better.
Obama had the perfect answer and has effectively killed all the stupid claims of the McCain-Palin campaign.

It was shameful watching that elderly woman in Minneapolis stand up and call a US presidential nominee an Arab(implying he was a terrorist). McCain cannot getaway by saying there will be fringe members in 14,000 rallies – that is not an excuse. That woman's remark was a consequence of what Palin has been saying. To McCain's credit, he did correct her, but that is not enough. Palin has insulted the entire US morality by making vile claims that lead to such remarks at rallies.

As an intelligent immigrant who is a professor at a large public university, I am not only insulted by McCain and Palin but also scared of them. I am scared of this side of america that thinks anyone who is different is untrustworthy and dangerous – including a presidential nominee. It seems like I have no hope if republicans win this time. That is why I want Obama to win.

Additionally, I am so amused at how middle class voters who should be voting for democrats if they took into account their economic well-being, actually vote republican by thinking of Christ! Will religion feed their young and pay their bills?

Wayne from the Philippines   October 16th, 2008 229 GMT

It's sad to see a respectable man like John McCain result to cheap shots at Senator Obama. Policies not personal attacks are what every voter expects to hear. This election will shape not only America but also the rest of the world. Obama appears to be the better choice.

Pieter, the Netherlands   October 16th, 2008 230 GMT

Hi,

I´m watching the debate right now, live, on Dutch television(although its 4 AM right now) and to answer your question: no, I dont think McCain bringing up the Ayers matter was a smart thing to do. He should have known Obama had his answer ready and Obama did. Obama completely took away McCains credibility on the matter with a well scripted answer.

Pieter

Zizwe - Kenya/South Africa   October 16th, 2008 231 GMT

No he did not. Proof once again of McCain trying to distract the American people away from the fact that he has no real plan to take them forward by making ridiculous character attacks. Let's hope the American voters see past that nonsense & focus on the issues!

sylvia   October 16th, 2008 233 GMT

Mc Cain did it again. I can dpo tjis and do that. But never really say HOW?

I've heard that Scars again. Mc Cain , you were honored for that and will be continually honored for your scars together with all the soldiers who even died fighting for the US. You were not the only one who fought. Please , your scars are not the issue. Stop living in the past.

You brought out advertisements below the belt. Well, I watched the campaign trail and your ads were the dirtiest i've seen since 12 years ago. You act as if you do not have any hand on what the people around you do, the attacks that your running mate did and is doing. Then you talk to the peiple as if your clean.All these attacks surely have your blessings and then you come out as is you do not want those attacks from your people. Mc Cain and Palin ..... Both of you havre been mentally dishonest all along.

Joe Plumber, I pity him. Mc Cain is out there to use him. Surely, Joe Plumber will be overused and will be used by Mc Cain in the rest of his campaign.

Mc Cain doesn't have to prove anything in this 3rd debate. Months of months of campaigning showed the people your character , plans and capabilities. And your character , capabilities and plans are not the right ones in walking to the path to Washington and finally leading the US people. Once again , Mc Cain failed.

Vanessa - voting from Japan   October 16th, 2008 233 GMT

What;s up with the deer in the headlights look John McCain had on several occasions? Was he huffing?

ssentongo julius   October 16th, 2008 236 GMT

please let the moderator stop this mess coz the more it goes on,the more mistakes are made by mccain of which are damaging his reputation irreparably .i think he already crossed the rubricon the day his campaign decided to go negative and i would like to know what defined role is karl rove assigned to in this campaign. given the fact that he delivered elections to bush through his spinning, this explains why this administration has not lived up to the pple's expectations .more victims being blair and howard of britain and australia respectvely. dont let mccain spin u to death coz he gat no real issue and is not smart enough for this demanding jod .why dwell so much on war?

Tony Pereira   October 16th, 2008 236 GMT

I am followng the debate via the blog -McCain fell for Obama's trap -he wanted the Bill Ayers issue brought up and he had his answer ready. How could McCain and his advisors not have seen this ? Amazing. I think that says a lot about the McCain campaign and a McCain presidency.

VKZ   October 16th, 2008 237 GMT

To concerned immigrant, McCain did not "correct" that woman. He took the microphone away from her, shook his head and said no... he is a decent man.... a family man (and words to that effect). And I didn't hear anybody really call him out on it. I heard one analyst (eventually) refer to the incident and make an excuse (he didn't have time to think of an appropriate answer. Everyone was so busy congratulating McCain for having intervened... It is not to his credit that he took the mike away from her. It was the absolute LEAST he could do. But what concerns me was his words. That was his immediate reaction. THAT was his immediate reaction. No.. Obama isn't an arab he is a DECENT man. This .. THIS worries me. A lot.

Lenora   October 16th, 2008 237 GMT

McCain started to look like a babbling old man. He would started going on and on.

Nori (Malaysia)   October 16th, 2008 238 GMT

While the news about falling Asian stock markets is being scrolled at the bottom of the TV, McCain continues to whine, roll his eyes and make condescending statements – this man is certainly out of touch!

BigSurprise   October 16th, 2008 238 GMT

I mostly heard McCain being antagonistic and Obama being logical. Nonetheless, I can't say I felt that there was a "winner" in this debate.
It was interesting to me that I felt Obama DID put the Ayers, Acorn, etc..stuff to rest. But McCain just ignored that fact. I also thought that Obama let Palin off the hook pretty gracefully and easily too.

Although I feel that McCain certainly did better in this debate than before he didn't do well enough make a difference other than in his base. As a Republican, I had lost faith with the party with the pick of Sarah Palin. McCain didn't bring me back to the fold tonight. Definitely voting for Obama/Biden.

Rabiya   October 16th, 2008 239 GMT

The CNN 'squiggly lines' are obviously unfair. You guys did not ensure its fairness, there are obviously people who are die hard McCainiacs in there. The men meter was off the charts even before McCain started to speak – there were a few who just dialled it up and pretended to be undecided....

tina   October 16th, 2008 239 GMT

helen peper, just your mentioning race tells me that in your own mind, you question whether it is RACE that concerns you. There is NO question in my mind. I am an African American, and I KNOW racism when i hear it and see it. if character was your concern, you would SIMPLY SAY THAT!!

simonv (France)   October 16th, 2008 241 GMT

Joe the Plumber gonna be tomorrow's most readable MSN nickname all around the world! This guy may be buyin a $250,000 company, but he will soon be able to make his balls turn to gold thanks to MM Obama & McCain...

Bambang   October 16th, 2008 241 GMT

McCain, it's your time to pack suitcase – you have no credibility to lead US, although Obama seems to be in low side emotionally. He didn't use his strong body language & tone, but still deliver.

you are rock Obama!

denni   October 16th, 2008 241 GMT

It is indicative of the dignity and character of Obama that he didnt throw the Keating Five in McCain's face – and he could have quite easily have done that! McCain has a very short memory – lets hope the American people have loooonnggg memories and they must never forget McCains attachment to Keating and that he consistently supported Bush's policies.

ashley   October 16th, 2008 243 GMT

mc cain is a cry baby

Rai   October 16th, 2008 244 GMT

McCain never one time answered HOW he will do anything. He had terrible body language (not good for forgien policy I am sure) he interupted many many times.... He appeared rude, arrogant, and even worse not presedential at all..... He is sooooo out of the running....

sylvia   October 16th, 2008 246 GMT

I agree with the panelists. Mc Cain did better than the 2 debates. In the 2 debates, he failed. This time he got "POOR". One step above failure.

Obama continue to be consistently very good in tackling the issues.

Mike Kuyel   October 16th, 2008 246 GMT

Obama got flustered quite a few times, and made one serious mistake.

he brought up 'palling with terrorists' thing, saying it three times himself.

That in itself lost him a million votes, votes from people that never heard anything about ayers (getting their news from CNN and the MSM).

Bad bad mistake.

Oops.

Leo   October 16th, 2008 246 GMT

From here in Australia, it seems clear that Obama decided to concentrate on the issues and leave the personal pointscoring to McCain. It was a good strategy, that McCain should have seen coming and apprently did not. As a result, Obama gave a statesmanlike performance and McCain seemed petty and scornful by comparison. It's a shame that he could not rise to the occasion, but I think for him the race is over.

Jenny (Arizona)   October 16th, 2008 248 GMT

If this was all about looking presidential, then Obama won by a mile.

John   October 16th, 2008 250 GMT

As an Australian watching with facination at the debate and campaign unfolding it is amazing to see one party debating policy and the other attacking personality. it should be a simple choice given the arguments so far. Do Americans ever remove themselves from the emotion and look to their history and simply just ask them selves at a time of economic uncertainty which of these two great old parties which one has the better financial management of the economy over the past 40 years....

And for those wondering what it may do with me a long way a way,, well we all feel the mis management of the American economy as the global crash has shown, a strong USA economy is good for all...

Finally... McCains vice pres.... wow did she win a red neck raffle to gain that position, shame such a respected and dignified man such as McCain has shown such strange judgement as to spend and use up his credibility defending her ignorance

sparrow   October 16th, 2008 252 GMT

its like the blog has been taking over by the democrats i dont seem to find anyone saying positive things about john or is cnn now bias ?well lets wait till nov 4 and we would see for our selves mc and palin for president

A Gudi   October 16th, 2008 255 GMT

It is still not clear what McCain is focussing on. Is it economic crisis or Ayers or ACORN or continued assualts on Obama?

At the of the Debate he did not clarify on any of this which he had to – to win this debate. Flogging the dead horse of Ayers and ACORN will not win for McCain. Who cares for these when people are losing jobs, houses and have no medical insurance or heathcare.....

Obama as usual was strong, had conviction in his thoughts and ideas. Most importanat he was sure that he will make them work. Hopefully for Americans and world at large he will have a chance to walk the talk.

Sol, VA   October 16th, 2008 257 GMT

Sen. McCain can pack up and go back to Arizona. He's a failed man with a failed economic policy. This election is over!!!

Michele C Greene   October 16th, 2008 306 GMT

Obama won hands down. Joe the Plumber by the way would benefit under Obama's plan, if McCain would only stop and listen to it. I thought it was a brilliant plan actually, as a small business person myself I would love to have a plan like that one. It is brilliant. Competition in schools does not work in my country. It causes there to be a terrible diferentiation and separation in schools and the smart and the rich will inevitably want to go to particular schools leaving the others out. You need to look at rewards not competition.

cinwil38   October 16th, 2008 306 GMT

Does McCain ever have an original thought?

G   October 16th, 2008 307 GMT

I think if you're going to produce McCain's allegations you should also include Obama's defense of them.

In the instance of Ayers he pointed out their involvement was primarily on an education board, convened by a key Reagan Republican, and shared with other Republicans.

In the case of ACORN he represented them in a case to make voter registration simpler, but beyond that has had no direct contact or relationship with them at all. Democrats have given them donations to aid with voter registration. There's certainly not even a hint that he, or any other Democrat, was deliberately involved in falsifying enrollment information.

Bobby   October 16th, 2008 309 GMT

There is only one candidate in this race and that's John McCain. Obama is both inexperienced and irrelevant. Besides being an empty suit, this man has a record of putting himself first before country, and ultimately does not deserve the platform granted him by the media. I trust the country will see this sooner than later.

Ricky Woods   October 16th, 2008 310 GMT

It was a desperate attempt by McCain but it did not work. Obama will be the next President of the USA

sparrow   October 16th, 2008 311 GMT

bobby you are right there i believe you go on mc cain

Benn   October 16th, 2008 314 GMT

I don't think this Debate changed much, McCain supporters would be happy with his performance, Obama supporters would be happy with his.

From a neutral position I think McCain was a lot better tonight than he has been. His "I'm not George Bush, if you wanted to run against Bush you should have run 4 years ago" was maybe the best of the night.

Obama didn't lose his cool though, and will most likely (and justifiably) be the next President.

Both respectable candidates though..

Bobby   October 16th, 2008 315 GMT

There's John McCain. And then there's an EMPTY SUIT sitting right across from him. It's frustrating to have to share such an important stage with a terrorist-associating, narcissist who has served in the Senate for 2 years, written not a single important law, and yet managed to write 2 biographies about himself.

American in the Mid East   October 16th, 2008 316 GMT

I understand and agree that McCain has some "rough edges" while Obama is smooth and composed. There's no question that this will sway many voters, but my (and many others') main concern is not with appearance but actual character and world view issues.

With Obama, we still don't really know what he's thinking deep down inside. Sure, we know what he says and hear his polished answers, but we all know that politicians with something to gain will render "smooth", calculated answers to dismiss any criticism, even if it's a lie in order to gain power.

So, I wonder...How could he be associated with the people he was associated with and go to a politically and racially-charged church for so many years and not carry those same world views at some level or another?

Anthony   October 16th, 2008 318 GMT

On the question of matters of law, OBAMA was Golaith and McCain was David – OBAMA is from Harvard law school – Magma Cum Laude. That shines through. McCain's call for sweeping cut accross the board on Government spending – that is a dead give-away of his lack of "contextual" appreciation of the essential texture and complexity of Government and diferent parts of Government. Yet he wants spending lift on education – where is that money coming from?

McCain spoke nothing about the continuiing burden of the two wars already costing more than US$800 billion and still growing while he lamented at the budgetary forward reform spending of additional US$800 billion. McCain got complete lost of macro-economics.

On Vice-Presidency question, McCain was nervous when he spoke of Palin as a reformer but OBAMA was generous NOT to attack. Obama could have ask how is Palin a reformer when her husband had a role in Government, not her and Todd having a word on the sacking of a public official in her watch which Palin claim innocence of involvement? How can a hands-off Governor be a reformer?

OBAMA was precise and detailed of response. He won this debate handsomely again – on grounds of "quality" in leadership which McCain spoke as critical of importance to America now more so than ever.

Bobby   October 16th, 2008 322 GMT

If I applied for a job with one of our government agencies – Dept. of Defense, State Department, Homeland Security...and so on, I would not get a single interview if I had similar associations/ friendships as Obama's. And here he is, sitting there acting as if he is the legitimate heir to the presidency – with 2 years of experience behind him (if you consider this to be experience). Tell me that's not a load of narcissism.

Crisa Santos Toronto   October 16th, 2008 323 GMT

"It's hard to lead a cavalry charge if you think you look funny on a horse" ADLAI STEVENSON
McCain is very mean and rude ...with a nonsense responses to a very serious issues .Economics. finances. education.health care is what american people need to be convicted and make sure that they can vote on november 4 for the person who is commited to bring back the american dream ....
McCain !!!!!!!!You do not lead by hitting people over the head that's assault, not leadership.
Barak Obama thanks to make us witness history ...In Change we Believe

Michael S   October 16th, 2008 324 GMT

This rich plumber ( he makes more than $250,00) needs to pay more taxes, than my son who works for $8 an hour. It's about time that the wealthy contributed to this country.

I for one do NOT feel sorry for this rich plumber!

SOLOMON   October 16th, 2008 326 GMT

i think Americans do not need any show of how experienced Mccain is and it is obvious that his experience in Politics is waging war against his present and future. This kind of Politricks, trying to damage the reputation of the opposition does not really work this time around...in the present crisis, he is expected to be emphasising more on what to be done n what has happened that can never be related to the present crisis. His thinking is outdated and his Campaign group is not helping him either....or they are helping him to loose the battle. Barack Obama did excellently well with his consistent campaign offerings....let alone his composition in answering questions giving out clarity and understanding as to what people need at the moment. God bless America, God bless me 2.

Bobby   October 16th, 2008 334 GMT

For you international folks who are paying attention to our process, I commend you and appreciate that you are staying informed. As Americans, we don't always reciprocate in terms of paying attention to your business. While I am happy that you are keeping yourselves aware (as global citizens should), I find your favorable view of Obama strange and reflective of an unfamiliarity with America. This is a place where 'CHARACTER' matters – unlike where many of you are from. It seems to me that many of you see yourselves in him. An American presidency devoid of integrity would stoop to your level and validate your own dismal state of existance. Then again, you wouldn't understand; would you?

rob   October 16th, 2008 334 GMT

Obama looked composed and presidential. He took few notes and appeared to have full command of the issues. McCain took a lot more notes and appeared more uptight and erratic.

As we head into a deep recession, I'd rather be captained by a calm, reassuring Obama than an erratic McCain.

Oscar López   October 16th, 2008 338 GMT

As a Cuban American, I may find Obama too far to the left, but forget about ideology! Obama is sleek and smart!!! Only the most stupid people on earth would vote in a senile crackpot instead! Obama's race is certainly not sufficient reason to vote for him, but still, as he also happens to be the best candidate, this is a wonderful chance to show the world that the US is not racist. I am very interested in seeing an Obama presidency, whereas a McCain presidency would be excruciating, and if the old man dies, a Palin presidency would be terribly embarassing, not only for America, but also for all those around the world who love America.

ojong   October 16th, 2008 341 GMT

Angry old man has spent all his life serving his country but as a politician he is completely spent. Happy retirement you deserve it! join your pal George at Kennebunkport you will so enjoy fishing!
ojong, Cameroon

Anthony   October 16th, 2008 344 GMT

Bobby, behaviour is NOT about "character" as someone sees you BUT IT IS A DISPOSITION TOWARD A CERTAIN CONDUCT. That disposition and may I say ability and intelligence reflected in these debates in OBAMA shines through the global stage which is why many foreigners like OBAMA just like many of the American forummers here. You cannot deny reality

CT from Oz   October 16th, 2008 345 GMT

I shared the same view as you, Concerned Immigrant when our previous Prime Minister was in power. He was a master of wedge politics and divided the nature. He used fear to win our post 9/11 elections. We now have a new PM and it's so refreshing to live in an inclusive Australia.

McCain had a few senior moments and stumbled. I think at one stage he even forgot Obama's name! I am much younger than McCain but find that my memory is getting worse over the years.

Guru X   October 16th, 2008 347 GMT

The “I am not George Bush” retort captured McCain’s impossible position. Denial had come too late; prior association had been too visible and ideological platform too close to W to win over a neutral. Worst of all it allowed Obama to justify his charge – by citation of McCain’s record which is probably incontrovertible. If the polling has been tracking sentiments correctly then the gap should begin to widen in Obama's favor.

This was a case of reverse zinger – period

CT from Oz   October 16th, 2008 349 GMT

I meant divided the nation. Sarah Palin is good at that, ie using wedge politics and fear.

nick   October 16th, 2008 351 GMT

Bobby – as a foreigner from a different hemisphere watching this election with enormous interest, I am yet again staggered at your remarkably insular comments. I hate to generalise, but perhaps if more Americans had a greater understanding of the rest of the world, it would not find itself with many of the problems that it now faces. And now America is considering a potential Vice President with little understanding or experience of the world beyond Alaska. Some aspects of her personality may strike a chord with many of the population, but we are talking about someone who may end up as President of your country. It honestly defies belief. Your country is unfortunately a mess at the moment, and you clearly need serious solutions. Is it really that difficult to work out why the majority of the rest of the world is praying for an Obama victory?

Bobby   October 16th, 2008 402 GMT

Let me put it another way for you, Anthony. Character is about behavior that is consistent, reliable and based on unquestionable integrity. McCain can do it all because he has been around, and integrity is his nature. Obama looks great in rolled up shirt sleeves and sounds eloquent (as many Harvard law grads do), and those are about his only admirable qualities. It's like the world is seeing a black man speak eloquently on such a large stage, and they are in love with the idea of him being President. And I understand this. But leaders have to take positions. They have to be able to pick a place to stand and then just stand there. Faced with the most poignant crisis of the 20th century, Kenndy faced down the Soviets by taking a position and then holding it. Conviction, my friend, saved the world. Obama cannot do this. Indeed, he has no record to suggest he can.

nick of Oz   October 16th, 2008 413 GMT

Hopefully your views, Bobby, are not representative of most Americans. Unfortunately, I fear that they probably resonate with far too many of your population. Comments such as 'It’s like the world is seeing a black man speak eloquently on such a large stage, and they are in love with the idea of him being President. ' pretty much sum it up for me. Believe it or not, a lot of us outside your country dont care less what colour Obama is. We actually want and need a strong America – and that is what we are basing our opinions upon. Are you honestly trying to tell us that Sarah Palin would make the type of President you describe should McCain not be able to see out his term? That is a key issue – not surprise that Obama is actually eloquent.

L.T.   October 16th, 2008 416 GMT

Bobby,
That is a typical comment of a narrowminded human being. I would have said American, but that would have made me none the better. Because not all Americans think like you! You speak as one who is completely indoctrinated into a way of thinking and is therfore biased to world views. The forum is open to anyone who wishes to express themselves. Like you said, internationals are usually more open minded about current issues on the global platform; something I have found lacking in some Americans I have associated with (doctors, lawyers, teachers...) You are limited to only american t.v and viewing and fail to be open minded about criticisms made by onlookers. It is evident, as is also seen on another network with 5 ladies discussing hot topics in the morning, that most republicans are narrow minded and only vote for "party" as opposed to the "best candidate". Pointing fingers and name calling is not going to fix your economy, neither will it solve the issue of failed policies. When making broad statements about internationals, bare in mind that from our end, you are also internationals as well, and your economy is where it is because of ignorant people like yourself making comments as the ones you posted on this board and continuing to vote for the same issues that have dragged your economy down over the past 8 years. Obviously I am neither democrat nor republican, and therefore my opinion does not matter to the polls, but if Americans would stop for a moment and do some independent research and not be so gullible to pop media, then informed decisions will be better made.

Oh...as for that line "this is the place where character matters-unlike where many of you are from.." This is the country where the divorce rate is high, candidates are named among other questionable characters, free speech is not so free, christianity though the backbone of your country, is (it would appear) to be the only religion without rights and your outgoing president cannot pronounce "Nuclear" and invaded a country that had nothing to do with 9/11!!!!!!!!!!! Please! You are only repeating what you are told, from the media that you are exposed to. I like many other internationals, are not limited at all (by choice). Right now, I have over 5 websites up excluding this one, and including ones from Europe.

Next time you comment, this is not about democrat or republican; its about – who is the best man to fish the US economy out of the pool its in right now! Also check the facts, use fact check to validate your opinions on either candidates' statements, quit being so gullible and shallow!

CNN I hope you post. Thank you.

ojong   October 16th, 2008 416 GMT

Bobby you are merely a disgruntled American and not a citizen of the world! Your views are badly out of touch with a majority of right-thinking Americans. If by some political accident you stood as a candidate I wouldn't have been interested in American politics because you do not have the 'CHARACTER' and mettle to solicit my attention.
We admire America not because of folks like you but because we believe that some integrity and decency still belies the perversive and greedy soceity you live in!
ojong,Cameroon

Dee   October 16th, 2008 420 GMT

It is not an imaportant issue at this time I don't care about this issue I mainly vote for Energy plan Obama give first priority so i will vote for him

Anthony   October 16th, 2008 424 GMT

Bobby, anyone labelling OBAMA as "palling around with a terrorist" can categorise him with the same "CHARACTER" brush as "terrorist but the disposition of conduct in OBAMA life time experience has NOT seen him blowing up buildings across America or the World Trade Centre. Or does it, Bobby, with my deepest respect to you?

Bobby   October 16th, 2008 426 GMT

Ojong, since you mentioned my name, I have clearly solicited your attention. And I haven't even begun to run for president! But I appreciate your comment and engagement in our political process. Even though your position is contrary to mine, I admire that you have such a clear one – certainly one that you are willing to defend so tenaciously. That's a hell of a lot more character than I have seen in Obama.

Yohan (Asian)   October 16th, 2008 426 GMT

To Bobby: i am so glad you don't represent the majority of Americans! How rude to say that 'charatcer' doesn't matter to anyone living outside US!
i have wonderful American friends and I've lived in US a part of my life, which explains my interest in this election. Besides CNN has asked for international views, so i don't really think it's up to you to tell who should comment and who should not! What happened to personal freedom? Or is that not an American value??
By the way, forget politicians, if YOU had character, you would not have said something so low. It's people like you who encourage spite and it has nothing to do with being American or non American.

Dee   October 16th, 2008 427 GMT

OBAMA clearly shown strong personality, Excellent communication Skills converying his policies, MCCAIN just beating behing the BUSHes, MCCAIN has no plan so he attack other plan. I am just tired of listening Republican heating their bases Election will be over and they still heating their bases. Come and talk with independent, Talk about issues

jim chafin   October 16th, 2008 428 GMT

Ayers is a know member of the weather underground. in the 1970,s and the 1980,s set off bombs through out the United States. it is know that the weather underground has killed no less that three police officers. Obama has links to Ayers. it is also known that Obama has given hunderds thousands to anti-american groups. and did suport his former paster who had the same ideals as Ayers. police officers will not vote for Obama Im voting for john McCain

Mike Trachtenberg   October 16th, 2008 431 GMT

Obama, cooly and calmly dismissed and dispelled the lies about Bill Ayers and ACORN. The bottom line his cool under pressure, his intelligence, common sense and ability to move forward is why I want Barak Obama to be the next president of the United States. What we donl't need is another shoot from the hip cowboy(angry old liar).

nick of Oz   October 16th, 2008 432 GMT

Dear CNN

I am having difficulty understanding why my comments need 'moderating' and then removal. Am I not allowed to make any comments that could be construed as negative towards some Americans? I am hardly being offensive.

Nick Edwards

Dulani (Asian)   October 16th, 2008 435 GMT

Bobby, since you are replying to people (bravo, some people just hide out) why on earth should Obama defend everything and anything the opposition accuses him of?? Especially if it has no real base. Waste of time! Or maybe he should be like Palin and jump the gun and say I am innocent before the court has ruled (i.e. Troopergate) ? Ok, I get it, that's character!!!

if u really want to debate anything Bobby do join me for one about any region, in US or outside. Let's see who has a better grasp. If you win, I'll concede that your views are right ;-) At least you'll know 'international folks' are not dumb!! That should tell you something about our judgment.

By the way, I am female so don't say I'm being a sexist abt Palin.

ojong   October 16th, 2008 435 GMT

People wth integrity don't get involved in scandals like the Keating affair! Bobby you consider one of the five a 'man of integrity' ? (unquestionable integrity God bless America)

BobinOz   October 16th, 2008 436 GMT

Bobby, which countries do you think don't understand what character is?

Could you also please explain which elements of Mr McCain's behaviour have been consistent in recent weeks?

Are you also suggesting Sarah Palin has unquestionable integrity?

Bobby   October 16th, 2008 439 GMT

No, I wouldn't call Obama a terrorist, but he has clearly associated himself with Ayers who, undisputedly, remains unrepententant of his terrorist past (and further continues to defend it). Obama, in all fairness, has a very interesting and in some ways admirable past (and I am talking specifically about his time in Hawaii and Indonesia). I appreciate his international experience, and if he had touted that experience as relevant to the presidency, I would be more in support of him. But despite such a rich experience, I don't see in his words a true understanding of the way the world works. To the contrary, I see a lot of naivete. He has been unable to bride that experience with an understanding of global interdepencence. In fact – foreigners, pay attention – he wants to "protect" american businesses from foreign competition. He doesn't sound so great now, does he? History shows thought that the best way to protect American businesses and promote global interdependence is to promote free trade. Now that's a specific policy difference between Obama and McCain. McCain is for free global trade, and Obama is not. And that's why, even though Obama looks great on paper, he simply doesn't have policies that are favorable to Americans, or the world at large.

jim chafin   October 16th, 2008 444 GMT

Did i forget to say that i am a constable you know a police officer. Obama sucks

Bobby   October 16th, 2008 449 GMT

...and when I say Obama looks great on paper, i mean his two biographies filled with paper and ink that's all about him.

Michael   October 16th, 2008 452 GMT

In my view Barack Obama was confident and also McCain was very irritated and that doesn’t show to a great extent that he can be a president. Also “ Joe the Plumber” was good strategy by the republicans call me a cynic. If he isn’t than Joe does not count for all of America and am sad that he doesn’t want to pay a little bit of tax to lend a hand to his country. But am sure not all Americans have a small business and am sure not all of them make more than two hundred thousand a year.

jim chafin   October 16th, 2008 453 GMT

And one last thing...to anyone that votes for Obama.........I see....I see ..........brain dead people.

Anthony   October 16th, 2008 454 GMT

Bobby, so do I take it that you concur with me that 'character" mud thrown at OBAMA has no relevance in this election. It is quality of leadership including his international experience worthy of your support. I am a practical man steep in political history. I remembered a few truths – Lee Kuan Yew got no experience when he was Singapore's first Prime Minister. Same for the late Park Chung Hee and three generations of leadership change in China. See the transformation in their societies – lives have improved by phenomenal degrees in just two generations or less. BOTTOMELINE IS QUALITY OF LEADERSHIP which McCain also preached today and that is intelligence and ability and the debates showed the difference. Foreigners care NOT the race of OBAMA but the intrinsic qaulities in his demeanour, intelligence thinking and his articulation coming across. As for his protective policies of pro-American in trade matters, IT SHOULD BE THAT WAY AS HE SHOULD BE FOR AMERICA'S INTEREST FIRST but his willingness to talk and engage foreigner will allow negotiated win win outcome for all. I truly admire this man and his time for America and the world.

Lou (American in Kenya)   October 16th, 2008 455 GMT

I grew up with John McCain as my Senator in Arizona. I grew up in a house full of fiscally conservative republicans. Back in 2000 when I was voting in my first election, I considered McCain seriously and almost registered for the first time as a Republican (choosing instead to go independent because I couldn't make up my mind). Over time, though, I've grown more and more left - frustrated by the Bush Administration's foreign policy mishaps (that's being kind) and frustrated by a government that appears to want to be hands off over economic issues (including providing universal health care) but too controlling when it comes to personal privacy.

Now I can't even understand the appeal of a man like McCain. I can't understand how his demeanor appears presidential. I can't understand the people who attend his rallies. From my current location in Kenya, America looks like a foreign country.

I suppose I now speak as a liberal, elite intellectual, but Obama's the only option that is reasonable. He's considerate, even, mannered, and careful. I can see he approaches all sides of issues. He surrounds himself with good people. My Senator (I still vote in AZ) has been driven to the far right – and is now with the warmongers, hatemongers, fearmongers. His performance in the debate (I woke at 4am to watch it), just shows how desperate he has become.

mwendwa from Kenya   October 16th, 2008 512 GMT

I think McCain flogged the 'Joe the plumber ' horse to death. in the end , he just sounded like a broken record an it made no impact. So what if Obama and Ayers found themselves on the same board; that does not prove any association that would call to dispute Obama’s character? I think the remarks being spewed in that crowd where plain was speaking, were appalling and Palin needed to put it to a stop. She didn’t. I wish Obama has emphasized on that even as McCain was calling for him to repudiate remarks made my congressman Lewis.

I feel Obama got thrashed by McCain in the first half hour. He was mainly on the defense. It was painful to watch. But I think he came back pretty well, focusing on the issues and making it clear that should be the focus. McCain seemed angry and had the worst facial expressions. His laughing at Obama and being condescending did not win him any points.

JA, Melbourne Australia   October 16th, 2008 523 GMT

Poor Bobby. I'm certain that a lot of international visitors to this site resent your intimations, inlcuding myself. Many, I'm sure, know a lot about America, and boy, you guys need change. Quick. And, sorry Bobby, it will happen. Get out of your denial phase and get on with your life because Obama will be President. As sure as night turns into day.

Bobby   October 16th, 2008 525 GMT

I think you missed my point, Anthony. I disagree with you on most counts:

1. By limiting global trade, he hurts American businesses, and by extension global development. China and Singapore would see less economic and social progress under an Obama presidency than a McCain one. Look at history: Latin America has seen much more free trade agreements under a Bush Administration (even though Bush never visited Latin America, cept Brazil) while Clinton visited Latin America twice, and never signed a single agreement with any country south of the US border. I agree with you that American interests should absolutely be first, but it's a no-brainer that global trade is best for America...not reclusiveness.

2. I don't know about the 'mud' you talk about. I do know that Obama cannot hold a position reliably, and that's a serious ping on his character. On top of that, he has no experience.

3. Race – it matters to foreigners and Americans, despite what you say. For some, color can be an uncomfortable thing, and for others, it's not. I happen to think that in this case, Obama has himself made 'color' an issue by saying things like, "They're gonna tell you he doesn't look like the guys on a dollar bill. They're gonna try to scare you..." and so on, and so on. But I have yet to hear anyone say what Obama said they would say. You follow me? Nobody has brought up the race thing except for Obama himself. Race shouldn't matter (in an ideal world), but I'm afraid it does. I think it's a very big part of the election. I think Obama is attractive to America and the world precisely because he is a combination of black, eloquent, and persuasive – and that combination is not something they are used to seeing. The history that precedes him has no examples of eloquent black men WHO COULD COMMAND SUCH UNIVERSAL AMERICAN POPULARITY, though there are numerous examples of eloquent black men on the American landscape. One exception would be Colin Powel (whom I would vote for in a heartbeat).

It's late here, Anthonly, so I"m gonna check out. It was nice chattin with you and others. I appreciate the opportunity.

Mulwa   October 16th, 2008 546 GMT

Bobby, I'm sure you voted for W. Look where America is! Like I said earlier, if McCain becomes president of USA, then Americans need to have their heads examined. I suggest you visit the shrink first thing tomorrow morning.

KENY   October 16th, 2008 552 GMT

THE PROBLEM WITH MCCAIN IS THAT HE BELIEVE HE KNOWS IT ALL. UNLIKE OBOMA WHO ALWAYS SAY I AGREE WITH MCCAIN WHEN MCCAIN MAKE A POINT THAT AGREES WITH HIS IDEA. DOES IT MEAN THAT NO OBOMA POINT AGREES WITH MCCAIN IDEA OR IS IT MCCAIN POLITICS TO CORE CHARACTER OR IGNORANCE. IF THE LATER IS REASON THEN HE IS NOT QUALIFIED TO LEAD AMERICA AS HIS TENURE WILL BE FILLED WITH RANCOUR BETWEEN HIM AND HIS ADVISERS WHICH WILL INVARIABLY LEAD TO GENERAL LAXITY IN MORALITY IN THE WHITE HOUSE AND THAT INFACT WILL NOT MAKE HIM A BETTER PRESIDENT

Luz   October 16th, 2008 603 GMT

I just can't believe it that most of the commentators are leaning with Obama! I believe that McCain is just a person who really love his country, and he seems very passionate about it! People around the world might not know much about OBAMA'S connection to ACORN (it was a left wing group and Obama use to represent them! He paid ACORN $800,000 just to help him register left wing voters! ) Association with Bill Ayers was questionable because he denied that he was his friend ! As a matter of fact, he was the one who launch Obama's candidacy in his home(Bill). Rev. Wright his pastor for over 20 years (according to WIKIPEDIA , Obama just practice Chrisitianity when he was 20+ and I believe that he only attended the congregation of Rev. Jeremiah Wright) who preached RACISM ,Radicalism and HATRED to his own country! If Obama is decent enough while listening to Rev. Wrights preaching, why did he stayed in the same church for over 20 years? Everyone who thinks that Obama is right to be the President of the only Super Power country around the world, I think they are wrong! You can not have an Intern president in the white house! Most of you who are just basing your news as CNN, they are very BIAS against John McCain ( majority of the media ) . If you people really want to find out more , you should Search for any name link to Obama ( search engine) and go to WIKIPEDIA read about them (wikipedia are more neutral) ! WATCHING CNN is like brainwashing!

omakah (nigeria)   October 16th, 2008 603 GMT

why is mccain always interupting whenever obama speaks?,is he afraid of obama revealing his weakness?.he did well in the debate though,because i believe attack is the best form of defence.He succeeded in preventing obama from asking him questions that has to do with his wrong judgements and temperament.He dominated the debate being both the moderator and guest at same time..my score,? OBama 52%,MCcain48%

Salihu Takko (Nigeria)   October 16th, 2008 618 GMT

For someone {McCain} who had disowned his ideological comrade {Pres Bush} under-fire it is means he's not trustworthy in time of crisis, i feel sorry for the U.S and mind you if elect HIM to the white house instead of Alaska on the 4th, free market will collapse forever!

American abroad   October 16th, 2008 630 GMT

I think this concentration on Ayers etc is rather desperate and shows McCain up as immature, he has ties to much worse but Obama said he would run a clean campaign, and he is trying to do that despite McCain slinging mud. As to Acorn, McCain is pictured at ACORN events as recently as 2006, glass houses and stones come to mind.
I might have voted McCain before the last few weeks, but his choice of VP has been unbelievable, he has put an unqualified person on the ticket, and she has dragged him and his campaign down to her level. He has been supremely indecisive on the economic crisis which worries me greatly and his VP appears to think it has something to do with 'healthcare reforms to shore up the economy'? I find her frightening, watching her rallies on TV, her refusal to stop and correct people who want Obama assasinated, so effectively she is stirring up hatred and violence has turned my stomach, and turned my vote to Obama – Biden.
President Obama I wish you well

Another Foreigner   October 16th, 2008 711 GMT

Bobby, the reason why so many foreigners are interested in what is happening in american politics is that, who ever comes in next will have an effect on our economics as well, whether we want it or not. And maybe you have not noticed but America is not the friend of the world it used to be due to their policies over the last decade, and McCain as much as you like to believe with your republican tinted glasses are not the guy who is going to change it. Guys like you are what gives the impression in the rest of the world that americans are ignorant and devoid from reality. Do you actually know what goes on around you further than your own home town? Have you heard McCain say anything that shows that he would be different, apart from going on about him being a war hero and all his negativity together with Pailin. Do you know that the mighty America is now at a stage where they have to borrow money from small little countries like Denmark,Sweden, etc. just to foot your bills, believe me I am pissed off that my taxes are going towards America to be thrown into a bottomless pit, instead of being plowed back into my own country. Do you know that America's superpower status are being questioned by the rest of the word and that after a decade of poor administration that the only thing that keeps you a superpower is your military numbers, with everything else you have basically lost that status. Do you really believe you are winning the war in Irak and Afghanistan as McCain and the government claims while the rest of the world see the real story?.How can you keep worrying about the supposed danger to your security when you are 1000's of miles away from where the supposed danger are, we in Europe are right on the doorstep of this supposed danger and you know what, we are not having sleepless nights about it as we have more important things to worry about than to spread socalled democracy to the rest of the world like your government is trying to put it. So far I have not seen you being very successful whereever you have stuck your noses in. As foreigners we are extremely worried that there might be to many people thinking like you cause whether you or I like it or not, you will effect my life and the money in my pocket with your vote. If you can't see that a McCain vote would be a vote for continuing the current status of America, then I am sad to say the perception of Americans from outside would be true. Anyway I'm sorry if I insulted other Americans but guys like Bobby makes it quite difficult not too, I am just glad to see that it looks like the majority of Americans actually have common sense and intelect to see what is happening and not just playing follow the leader like a bunch of lemmings running over a cliff edge

Bimbo   October 16th, 2008 751 GMT

Am suprise that McCain could as a result of pressure deny his fellow republican Bush after he supported 95% of his failed policies.
This old man called McCain does not communicate with people when he is talking becos his speeches are full of anger and personality attack instead of focuing on the global issues of economy, jobs creation and housing he is busy attack Obama.
McCain is another Bush in term of failed policies. But why should McCain even at 72 yrs be still standing for election after 26 yrs in power that as his country into economic problems.

OBAMA U ROCK.

peter Ondabu   October 16th, 2008 848 GMT

I watched the debate live and was excited with the way the US generally puts presidential aspirants on the world stage for scrutiny. It was amazing!!. To the Voters I say, May the best candidate win.

Hec   October 16th, 2008 937 GMT

Just a quick note to bobby, thank you for your tone in this conversation.
It has been refreshing to see a republican on this blog who is not just ranting negative. I would like to say that sen Obama did say he was not
against free trade, but would like to see america protected, which he did not feel was happening right now. i don't see what's wrong with that.
Maybe you can explain.

Hec   October 16th, 2008 947 GMT

Another quick note to Bobby,
you're right about colour making a difference to some people, but looking at your comments about how unusual it is for people to see a black person speaking and being well informed i would assume you would be one of them.

Awestrukk   October 16th, 2008 1254 GMT

As an independent, I was trying in earnest to listen to both candidates, and find a measure of worth. Something that I could hang my hat on and say "Yes, here is my candidate". Alas, that moment didn't arrive. However, McCain seemed to score points with one line zingers. His "i'm not Bush" was actually very funny, yet He seemed to lose his momentum as the debate carried on. I did find it ironic and somewhat pathetic at how he pandered for apologies from Obama for negative campaigning. As far as Obama, he appeared a little stale, and appeared it was a predetermined strategy to "not screw up" rather than be progressive. I found that dissappointing as well. So I still have three weeks in which to decide. I admit that if elections were to be held today, I would vote Obama. Not on conviction and confidence, but on a chance, risk, and gut feeling. Thus far McCain has not been consistant enough for me to jump on his bandwagon. Three weeks, much can happen, more can come to light. Race isn't over.
To Bobby: concerning foriegn countries taking an interest in our politics. I commend them. Perhaps if our own generally selfish, arrogant and insulated society, took more stock into learning about other ideologies, listening to them instead of talking down to them, our education system would not be one of the worst in the world. We as Americans tend to think we are born to be correct and the world wrong. Much of your commentary displays that mentality.

Patricia Snow   October 16th, 2008 1303 GMT

Birds of a feather flock together. First Obama sits in a church
twenty years with a radical. He is a friend of Bill Ayers. Jessie
Jackson makes a speech against Isreal. What really gets me
is everytime one of these people show up in the media, Obama
cuts all ties with that person, interesting! At that point it is too
late. What has been planted is planted. When that crop comes
forth it will produce unfruitful goods for the market.
I'm to the point in my life where is do not trust a used car salesman.
They are very smooth in the fact they tell you only what you want to
hear. I say so Johnny Go!!

Richard   October 16th, 2008 1341 GMT

Fluff. It gets you nothing except to those who are not of this world. Its the economy, the ecnomy, the economy, health care, retirement,(social security, medicare, pensions and 401ks), taxes, disengagement from 2 wars, and the Supreme Court/abortion. You can fool some of the people some of the time, but not all the people all the time. Fool us once, shame on you, fool us twice shame on us. We are in a real crisis, and the foolishness will not work this time!

nicholas   October 16th, 2008 1553 GMT

I HOPE THE AMERICANS WAKE UP AND SMELL THE COFFEE.
THE WORLD WANTS OBAMA.
WITH HIM AT THE HELM,SOUND DECISIONS 'MIGHT' ABIDE.

do you ever stop and ask yourself why americans are hated all the world over?
1>George bush.son and father.
2>dirty politics
3>arrogance(read mccain)
elect him and see if the world will like you any better!

Fred   October 16th, 2008 1744 GMT

Obama told us what he believes in his chat with Joe the plumber. He believes in spreading the wealth around. If you make more money than he thinks you need, he believes he should be able to steal it from you and give it to whoever he thinks deserves it.
He wants everyone to succeed but he will tell you when you have succeeded too much.
The essential difference between democrats and republicans is the question of who is best suited to managing your money, you or the government. The democrats believe they are better suited and should be able to take your money when they decide you have made enough and spread your money around to whoever they think deserves it more than you.
It is interesting that polls show that republicans give more to charity than democrats. Perhaps the democrats look at their own selfishness and assume all others are as selfish and will not give to the needy unless forced by their government to do so.
Republicans give willingly but they want to choose who they give to not let government determine who deserves it.

Emmerentia   October 16th, 2008 1939 GMT

From South Africa and I want to say to Awestruckk, thank you for your last paragraph – you have summed up the worldview of America and its arrogance and that is why America is where it is economically and have taken the rest of the world down with it!! I am a very angry woman tonight because of the way America has dumped us all with their economic mess just because Americans cannot contain their greed and "know it all" attitude towards everything!!

To Fred: It is the Christian thing (most Republicans profess that) to do to spread wealth. Go read your bible especially the book of Acts!! So maybe Obama is just practicing plain Christianity, brother!! America needs someone with fresh new ideas. The old ones are all used up and did not work OK? The world needs a world leader with the skill to communicate, who do not show anger (did you see McCain's pent up anger?) but who stays calm and who shows skill in negotiating!!

Fred   October 16th, 2008 2000 GMT

Emmerentia,
There is nowhere in the bible that I am aware of that says we should give our money to government and let them distibute it how they see fit. While it has been awhile I have read the entire bible once and 3 different translations of the new testament and I just don't recall it saying let government steal from you to give to those they think deserve it more.
For many years in many different places people have tried the concept of communism "from each according to his ability to each according to his need" no one has ever made it work. When government can take my money and give it to whomever they please, what incentive do I have to continue to make lots of money?
Right now, Obama has decided that 250,000. a year is more than I need or deserve and there are others, he will decide who they are, that should get more of what I earned. When those others want more and he and his parties election depends on it, that 250,000. will become 200, then 150 etc. When the burden becomes too heavy, those carrying the load will shrug it off.
Lastly, I am glad you are in South Africa so you can't vote here unless of course ACORN get ahold of you.

allie   October 16th, 2008 2009 GMT

I identify with Joe the Plumber. I believe in hard work and being rewarded for it. I find Obama's positions on social justice and economics nothing more than utter socialism. I am deeply troubled by the Ayres and Acorn connections. I am a democrat, but that doesn't mean I have given up independent thought and reason in order to duck step with my party.

I have voted democratic in every election since I was 18 yrs of age. Not this one though. John and Sara have my vote because they are sincere.

Sincerely, A former undecided voter.

Emmerentia   October 16th, 2008 2104 GMT

Come on Fred, don't get so exited.... Who said government must steal from you? But why can people who earn $250 th a year not pay more tax than those who earn $60th? (which I believe the majority of Americans do earn). $250th is a lot of money and if you convert it into my South African Rands that has just dropped overnight by approx. 15% against the US$ because of your country's "capitalist" economic policies of "free the market", I can really live the good life here in South Africa!! I am not for communism but I do believe that the concept of "the rich getting richer and the poor getting poorer" is what has brought the world to where it is today and I make no apologies for sticking to what I said, if Republicans are so "fundamentalist christians" they should be happy to pay more taxes if they earn over $250th to help their fellow citizens, of who some have to do 2 to 3 jobs just to keep things together, pay a little less taxes. It is not punishing you for making "lots of money" – you will still have lots of money believe me but when a billionaire like Warren Buffett states that he pays less tax then his secretary under the present tax system, then there is surely something wrong?? And by the way, Obama does not plan to give your money to whomever he wants, he will use it for healthcare, education etc. Otherwise like someone else stated in one of these blogs, you all better learn to speak chinese or should we say Mandarin?? I am also glad I am in South Africa – at least our government have proper regulations for banking and a Credit Act to protect people against their own greed and those who want to put them into debt over their heads!! Viva Africa!!!

Emmerentia   October 16th, 2008 2104 GMT

Come on Fred, don't get so exited.... Who said government must steal from you? But why can people who earn $250 th a year not pay more tax than those who earn $60th? (which I believe the majority of Americans do earn). $250th is a lot of money and if you convert it into my South African Rands that has just dropped overnight by approx. 15% against the US$ because of your country's "capitalist" economic policies of "free the market", I can really live the good life here in South Africa!! I am not for communism but I do believe that the concept of "the rich getting richer and the poor getting poorer" is what has brought the world to where it is today and I make no apologies for sticking to what I said, if Republicans are so "fundamentalist christians" they should be happy to pay more taxes if they earn over $250th to help their fellow citizens, of who some have to do 2 to 3 jobs just to keep things together, pay a little less taxes. It is not punishing you for making "lots of money" – you will still have lots of money believe me but when a billionaire like Warren Buffett states that he pays less tax then his secretary under the present tax system, then there is surely something wrong?? And by the way, Obama does not plan to give your money to whomever he wants, he will use it for healthcare, education etc. Otherwise like someone else stated in one of these blogs, you all better learn to speak chinese or should we say Mandarin?? I am also glad I am in South Africa – at least our government have proper regulations for banking and a Credit Act to protect people against their own greed and those who want to put them into debt over their heads!! Viva Africa!!!

Emmerentia   October 16th, 2008 2111 GMT

Allie, your comment insinuates that people who earn less than $250th do not work hard!! Shame on you!! There are people, especially single mothers, who have to take on 2 to 3 jobs and work bloody hard and still do not earn even $60th a year. So Joe the Plumber has worked hard and now has a chance to buy a business but will earn more than $250th and he wants to turn that down because he may pay maybe $5th to $7th a year. Please – give me a break. Why turn down earning more than $250th, perhaps $300th just because you must pay $5th more tax?? What a no-brainer!! Enough said....

Emmerentia   October 16th, 2008 2124 GMT

Luz, I am just about to retire for the evening, it is 11pm in South Africa but I must just say that Obama answered all your questions in his debate and no, he did not practice christianity from the age of 20+ but he actually was what fundamentalists call "born-again" and baptised as an adult. He did not have the priviledge of a christian upbringing, so he made a free choice, not like many christians who are christians because they grow up in it but have lost the power of christianity. And then "the only Super Power country in the world" – you mean the only "super bully in the world"?? Anyhow not for long – China, Russia, India are waiting in the wings.....

Goodnight. Enjoyed blogging with you all. No hard feelings. Take care and God have mercy on us all!!

Fred   October 16th, 2008 2133 GMT

Emmerentia,
The top 5% of income earners in this country already pay over 50% of the total taxes. The bottom 50% pay 3% of the total taxes. Over 40% of americans pay no taxes whatsoever and these people will get checks from those earning over 250K even though they haven't paid a dime when Obama gives his tax cut to 95%. Don't know why no one ever calls him on that.
Anyway, the government does steal the money and, whether it be for someone elses health care or whatever, it will be used as they see fit. Not as the person who earned it sees fit.
On another note, I do not claim to be a christian. I am a believer in the rights of the individual and in the premise that "that government is best which governs least". I cannot think of anything government has ever done better than private industry and private individuals..

Bobby   October 16th, 2008 2139 GMT

Hec, thanks for your comments. First, you assumed I'm a Republican....don't be so sure about that. Second, on your question about global trade: the local (but especially global) reprecussions of both candidates economic policies are unclear, so I can't speak with luster. But I can say this: it is music to American's ears to hear Obama say he will protect American jobs, and do so by stopping outsourcing to countries like India, China, the Phillipines, Mexico and Ukraine. That's the example he gave. McCain's response is: no – we should continue to outsource because the well-to-do folks in China, India and elsewhere send their kids to our schools and use the money earned from trading with us to pay for that education. That's a simple version of interdependence. On a global scale, it works, and I think it has more benefits than drawbacks for all of us (Americans and foreigners). This is a long discussion to have with specifics, so I won't try. But I will say that neither candidate has shown an understanding of the full effects of their policies, and neither has really given us a good vision of what 'ideal' global trade looks like. The media also doesn't focus on it b/c they think it's too complicated for the public to absorb. So I have to rely on my own judgments here, and I think McCain has a better long-term economic policy – one that is sensitive to our interdependence with the rest of the world.

On race: I was making a simple point, which is: being 'black, eloqent, articulate, and persuasive' with such overhwhelming popularity is unusual in the American political landscape, and becuase it's so unusual, many people are in love with Obama. At the end of the day however, being black, eloquent, articulate and persuasive doesn't meet half the qualifications needed for the presidency. It's okay to love Obama; it's not okay to elect him for the presidency based solely on those qualities. And that's my point. Saying so doesn't make me racist. To be clear – I am a person of many colors (and so are my parents and granparents), I speak 3 languages in addition to English, and have lived half my life in three countries, and my work requires that I travel to many others and respectfully engage people of many different ethnicities. Racist I am not. Straight shooter I am.

Bobby   October 16th, 2008 2205 GMT

Mulwa, let me offer a correction (since you are most certainly not sure who I voted for): I voted for Obama in the primaries, and you can be sure that's a mistake I will not repeat in the upcoming general elections!

pdiane   October 16th, 2008 2207 GMT

Excuse me, until you stand in our shoes as Black people you will never understand Rev. Wright. The hoplessness and how america has ignored our cries, our holocaust, our horrific delimna. If anything, america loves to see us suffer as a people, if she didn't she would be putting our babies in jail more often than white babies, she wouldn't
justifying racial profiling, and health disparities. So Rev Wright is right god-damn america until she takes a stand against 100s and 100s of years of racism! Obama can sit in that church because he and his babies have experienced racism on a daily basis as all of us have and have potential of being murdered, discriminated against by this hypocritical american government.

As far as Ayers is concerned, who cares, he is cow towing with the rich and famous as we speak. A white guy can do almost anything in america and still have a prestigious position in america. If he was Black he would either be dead, in jail or exiled. Case in point for america's extreme racism. McCain crashed plane after plane and his father got him out of it over and over again. One crash caused many deaths and here he is running for president. When will racism end.? God damn america until it pays raparations and recognizes its wrongs to the Black man, woman and children of america.

Acorn, give us a break, pick on a community organization that barely has enough funds to exist, so typical.

All americans need to vote for Obama to prove they are taking a step to stop this horrific history of inequality!

Bobby   October 16th, 2008 2237 GMT

To Yohan (from Asia): well, I have re-read my comments to see what could have brought out such rage from you (and others above). You are right; my comments are, to a great degree, irresponsible, and could have been stated differently. I offer my apology to the foreigners on the blog for insinuating that 'many' of you are from places where character does not matter. It was not the right thing to say. You know, I have my views of this election an I feel strongly about them – as many of you about yours. Last night, when I saw unreasonable comments on the blog about McCain (and in such overwhelming proportions), my instinct was to also respond with unreasonable vigor. It was a moment of weakness. We all have them. Henceforth I will be more responsible with my comments. I really appreciate all of your participation on the blog and will do my best to be respectful as we continue our discussion.

Bobby   October 16th, 2008 2315 GMT

Dulani (from Asia), I would hope our discussion is not about winning or losing. Rather, I see it as sharing our perception of the world, hearing others' perceptions, and hopefully encouraging mutual learning in the process. I'm on the blog because I am interested in hearing your thoughts, and because I have some ideas to share as well. As you know, I have made a mistake by insulting many of you above, and – given your vibrant responses (that's putting it nicely) – I have learned my lession, and accept the humility that accompanies these moments. I think I'm a better person because your words had an impact on me. Similarly, I would hope that my words about America will impact you as well. And that's all it really is – not about winning or losing.

Ferdinand Abua, Abuja - Nigeria   October 17th, 2008 1331 GMT

I am surprised that William Ayers is an issue in this election. I do not know that Americans are forbidden to associate with Ayers because he once organised a ”group that staged deadly attacks on government officials and police officers”. If he was not tried for this offence why is it an issue now? If Ayers is not supposed to associate with fellow Americans why is he allowed to teach? Faculty members and his students are in trouble because it might be used against them tomorrow. And as a college professor don’t you think that Ayers is producing terrorists for America?

cos   October 17th, 2008 1444 GMT

Sometime ago, Tmes magazine showed a photograph of American President -George Bush, with Osama Bin-Laden and family. Does that make George Bush a terrorist?

angie   October 17th, 2008 1500 GMT

john macain was born in PANAMA not the IN USA no one brings this up
the first in usa, look on macain can-not speek well may god help the world if he win big mistake . please usa open your mine-think twice

cos   October 17th, 2008 1514 GMT

Adolf Hitler could not understand how a black man, Jesse Owens, could outrun a host of others from 'superior' races and therefore refused to congratulate him via a handshake. I am afraid many oldies in America still feel that way. Barrack Obama may have outclassed John Macaine in all the faculties associated with who would make a better president of America, but he may as well be the best president that America never had unless the youngies decide to come out to make the difference. The world no doubt looks up to America to police the world on human rights issues especially, but the world can help America also by expressing concerns about her internal rights issues. Truth should count, no matter who tells it.

Jacki   October 17th, 2008 1751 GMT

McCain has lied over and over again in his rally's and his ad's. He said My old buddy Joe the plummer when he was not his buddy. That he knows nothing about Joe owes taxes and not having a license . And I do think McCain knew about Joe having a lien on his house and told Joe he would help him with his house lien.

ALek Deng   October 17th, 2008 2348 GMT

Dear cnn
This election is unique but most importantly both Senator Barack Obama and senator John mcain has valid cases to make since Americans has experienced economy hardship mainly the middle-class has now become the viticm of the claps. let's remain calm and patience because this election is too delicate that it may catch fire in any minute...

I was John mcain supporter but senator Barack came out some weeks ago and convinced by his calmness and patience. he has developed thick skin which our leader need to deal with the mess world Bush will leave for the next president. we need a leader who would shine in the world and restore back our image around the world. alot of people in the world have envissioned that on Barack would just do that for them.

John mcain is a great man and a leader but his age and vice president matter a lot. in case of any accident , sarah palin won't run the country not because she is the a woman but because she is not qualified.

Tom   October 18th, 2008 422 GMT

What about Joe? You may not like Joe the Plumber, Joe Six Pack, or Joe Bidon but my favorite Joe is, also the worlds favorite, G.I. Joe. Because of G.I. Joe, Europe is free of the tyranny of facism and communism. He has had mixed success in the Far East but there is no starker contrast than life in Japan and Vietnam and now millions of Iraqi's have the freedom to vote for more than just Saddam YES or Saddam NO, thanks to G.I Joe and his Coalition friends. Unfortunately the only thing many Americans know about G.I. Joe is what crime he has been accused of lately. By the way the majority of military members are from Democrat families not Republican but they have chosen to obey whoever the American people elect.

Roland   October 18th, 2008 1505 GMT

i belive both candidates can do a great job.i prefer obama though because he represents the kind of change we need.mccain lost my votes when he chose palin who up to now cannot hold press conferences.one thing, would mccain have chosen her had obama chosen hillary?

Ark   October 19th, 2008 228 GMT

If Mr. Ayers could not be prosecuted and the case dropped because investigators used illegal tactics to gain evidence, then doesn't he remain innocent until proven guilty? And if that is so, then couldn't McSenile and appalling Palin be sued by Mr. Ayers for defamation?

Oh an I love how McSenile uses Ireland's low taxes on businesses when even today a very prominent crystal manufacturer in Ireland announced it was moving the biz overseas and laying off most its staff.

Chris Bloor   October 19th, 2008 1227 GMT

"If she didn’t she would be putting our babies in jail more often than white babies..."

What a load of unadulterated hogwash!

Face the reality:

If your 'Babies' didn't commit so much crime...

It is EXACTLY because of this stupid "Oh I am a victim therefore the world owes me a living" that you are where you are.

FYI I left home at 14 and lived on the street, Today I have my own successful business – I made my own breaks and never had to resort to selling crack in the hood to live or blame anyone white or otherwise for my hardships!

Quit blaming white people and start taking responsibility for yourself!

apple   October 19th, 2008 1750 GMT

we hope mccain and palin will win. we strongly believe t they will do good for the american people. all those negative comments don't have any effect on us. why? because we are using our own brains...

Rod   October 19th, 2008 2215 GMT

ACORN, Ayers, and Rev Wright DO matter.

Read the interview with Obama condycted before his Senate win in the Chicago paper. You will see his politics are closely aligned with these people.

Go to the ACORN website and read thei manifesto. It is socialism presented as urban activism, and makes very clear what a "community organizer " does.

The issue is not with any single individual, it is the network of political associations Obama maintained as recently as just a few years. He can disavow each one individually, but in disacowing them all, he disavows his entire past!

Have any of us heard what he did in college? What he did in his early political career? What in his past has he NOT disavowed?

Many accuse the Republicans of conducting an attack on liberty and freedom under the guise of the war on terror. The liberals wish to conduct an attack on freedom and liberty under the guise of inequality and the financial crisis.

The republicans need to explain to the public WHY they are so worried about Ayers, ACORN, Rev Wright, et al. Otherwise, it just sounds like mud slinging.

Folarin Saheed Oladipupo   October 19th, 2008 2233 GMT

I watched the debates as wella as the two previous ones..And there was a common trend: MCcain's inconsistency and continous change is and this in complete contrast to obama's steadfastness,focus and deep believe in his values and reclaiming American dream.

I live in germany where racial prejudice is a daily event.Obama is setting a trend and passing a méssage that no matter how funny your name sounds or the colour of your skin;you can always achieve your aim when you set your mind to it.

In the last debate,obama completely focused his plans for the American people.He explained his health plan as well as tax plan.But MCcain on the other hand started the debate attacking Obama almost on everything.He couldnt even hide his disgust in sitting beside Obama.He brought up Joe the plumber's issue and got trounced for it.he got asistance from his VP candidate who in the past week started questioning Obama's patriotism.All these are sings of a desperate campaign running out of time.

I think the American people see a visionary,dependable and trustworthy leader in barack obama and i gues thats the reason he won the Democratic Nomination in a field of more experienced,better known and well financed campaigns.MCcain should learn from history and he'll see that Nothing u put on Obama sticks...

We should all rise above this racial profiling,name calling and focus on the challenges ahead.President Obama will send a big message to the world and some of us are really happy its happening in our generation.....

Dan Norberg   October 21st, 2008 1102 GMT

It is outrageous to contemplate that two conniving bullies would lead the world. McCain and Palin are no better than the punks who harass decent kids in the school yard.

George Hanus - CA - Independent   October 22nd, 2008 329 GMT

After watching and reading all this about ACORN i have learned something unexpected. This attack on ACORN from the McCain camp, is really taking away from the poor people that are working so hard to make a little something for themselves while registering voters. Yes, I am sure there will be some bad actors, its just so sad that the McCain folks have to drag everyone through the mud just so they can try to get in office.

When they lose, they will only have achieved a lot of disrespect. Then they can go hang out with Bush in the presidential retirement home to lick their wounds.

sylvia   October 22nd, 2008 2305 GMT

Talking about Ayer issue........ no basis at all and purely gossip made by the Mc Cain campaign team
Talking about Acorn .......... the thing is if your winning, will you cheat? only the person who is losing will think of cheating.
Talking aboyt Joe The Plumber ......... another person to use and later on be forgotten. Joe the Plumber cannot make $250,000 a year especially during this time of crisis. Salvador the ALL AROUND LICENSES HOUSE REPAIRMAN cannot even reach $250,000.

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