April 12, 2008
Posted: 1201 GMT

KATHMANDU, Nepal - There is a strange contradiction in Himalayan politics. In the tiny country of Bhutan the king, Jigme Khesar Wangchuk, has recently enforced democracy on subjects who’d really prefer to keep things as they are, thank you very much. They are blessed with a benign monarch, who is adored and worshipped by his subjects.

But the Oxford-educated, 27-year old King clearly realizes that absolute rule by a monarchy is fine when the ruler is a jolly nice fellow, but it has all the ingredients for a total disaster, should one of his descendants decide to abuse their power. He’s recently organized elections, where you guessed it - the monarchists won a thumping majority.

Bhutan is about as remote and isolated as you can get. Television was only allowed here in 1999 and much of the country is still without electricity, roads or the internet. But it’s the only country I can think of where democracy is being imposed on the people, largely against their will.

Contrast that then with neighboring Nepal, where King Gyanendra is about to lose his job. Here the election counting is still going on, amid growing allegations of fraud in some remote areas. So far the Maoists, until recently a guerrilla army that had been fighting a decade long insurgency, are in the lead.

They are still classified as a terrorist organization by the United States, but it looks like they will become a major player in the new assembly that’s been elected to draw up a new constitution. And the first thing that assembly will do is to declare that Nepal is to become a republic, meaning King Gyanendra will presumably be packing his bags soon.

King Gyanendra was suddenly thrust onto the throne after a terrible massacre when almost all of his other relatives were shot by the Crown Prince, who went berserk with a gun before killing himself in 2001. King Gyanendra was therefore the target of much unfair suspicion that he had somehow orchestrated the massacre to get his hands on the crown.

It sounds like a Shakespearean plot - but then much of political life here has a slightly surreal air. Gyanendra further compounded that initial suspicion by declaring martial law in 2005, claiming the government wasn’t doing its job in thwarting the Maoist insurgency. It was only when hundreds of thousands of people took to the streets in violent protests two years ago that he backed down and the Maoists started capitalizing on his mistake.

I was in Nepal in April 2006, dodging the flying bricks and remember the palpable feeling of anarchy in the thin mountain air. Now things seem more stable, and in some sense there is inevitability to events. It’s almost certain this king will be peacefully voted out of a job. The entire edifice of the Peacock throne will be dismantled and Gyanendra will be free to concentrate on his private business interests.

So what to do? Well, perhaps the Royalists among you are crying: "How about letting the King of Bhutan skip over the border and see if he can make a better fist of it than Gyanendra? Swap the Raven Crown for the Peacock throne?"

That’s sort of what happened in England during the 17th-century Glorious Revolution: a group of aristocrats got rid of the Catholic James II. They were infuriated by his autocracy and staged a coup, bringing in his protestant son-in-law, William of Orange from Holland, to become king instead.

But that kind of throne swap would never work between Nepal and Bhutan. There’s been years of acrimony between the two countries over the status of 100,000 refugees stuck in camps in Nepal, who arrived from Bhutan. The Bhutanese won’t allow them to return, saying they’ve forfeited their right to citizenship. The idea of King Jigme Khesar Wangchuk coming over to replace Gyanendra is a non-runner.

It seems nothing will preserve monarchy in Nepal: 240 years of history will end in a few weeks, leaving Bhutan as the only absolute monarchy in Asia.. for now.

The 19th-century political writer Walter Bagehot once said of monarchy: “We must not let daylight in upon the magic." But daylight is streaming into the Himalayan palaces: the Maoists have pulled back the curtain in Nepal, but in Bhutan it's the King himself who's decided to break the spell.

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John   April 12th, 2008 1418 GMT

Someone told me that the Himalayas are in Tibet. Does anyone know if that's true?

-John
http://www.patrioticactivist.com

Dzi   April 12th, 2008 1657 GMT

Thank you for this wonderful piece. As a Bhutanese living in America, I am proud of the small steps Bhutan is taking, at its own pace, to become a responsible democratic country.
Despite the west's impression of monarchs who are always out to do good by themselves, Bhutan has been fortunate to have had benevolent and farsighted monarchs who have focused on the welfare of the people.
Am I worried about what the future holds for Bhutan- yes – change and the unknown is always scary but I am also optimistic that the current elected leaders – all very educated and experienced – will continue to work on the principles of Gross National Happiness.
There is alot to be done including resolving the issue of the people in the Nepal camps and bringing about meaningful dialogue with Nepal – once a good friend of Bhutan.
As we Bhutanese celebrate a new government and the coronation of another monarch this year, we look forward to a new era of continued peace and prosperity!

arjos   April 12th, 2008 1734 GMT

The Mimalayas are partly in Tibet but continue in Nepal, Sikim, Bhutan and India.

as a matter of fact there are some more kingdoms left in Asia, Thailand as a clear example and other royal families ruling in the Arabian peninsula and Malaysia.

daniel   April 12th, 2008 2021 GMT

Bhutan the only kingdom in Asia? What about Thailand, Cambodia, Malaysia and Brunei for instance?....

Jay Jay   April 12th, 2008 2022 GMT

1/ The Himalayas are a mountain range... part of the Himalayas are in Tibet. Other parts are in Nepal and India.

2/ There's a very strong feeling in Nepal that Gyanandra (sp?), the present king, bumped off the whole family and passed the blame on to the then Crown Prince. In realaity there are a lot of question marks.

3/ Probably, as a result of the above, Gyanandra is nowhere near respected as his elder brother the king, Birendra, was.

4/ It is also important to note that the late king Birendra was the one who inititated moves to democracy in Nepal which his brother (and usurper?) tried to reverse.

Cheers,

JJ

Maddox   April 12th, 2008 2101 GMT

While this is an interesting set of perspectives, this entire post is utterly pointless – talking about an idea and then stating that it's a bad one that will never happen. It's like the author is (poorly) trying to link the two together as part of a last-minute deadline.

John: Tibet is in the Himalayas, not the other way around. The Himalayas are a mountain range in Asia, and a large part of Tibet covers this mountain range as do other countries, such as Bhutan and Nepal.

Philip   April 12th, 2008 2236 GMT

I think it might be better to say Tibet which is currently in china (like it or not) is a very large place ( much larger than the Chinese province of Tibet) with some of its area in the Himalayas ( again a very large area covering areas in many countries).

Max   April 12th, 2008 2258 GMT

response to John:The Himalayas are mostly in Tibet (currently China) and Nepal as well as jutting into some of the neighboring countries including Bhutan and India.

I support both countries advancement towards democracy and the Bhutanese king is indeed a very intelligent man and his country has often been rated the "happiest" in the world. However, I only hope the Maoists in Nepal do not ally themselves too strongly with China as it has often been a location for many Tibetan refugees to flee too. It would also give China an even heavier hand in the Himalayan region, and only further block any chance of Himalayan independence.

Any idea of bringing King Wanchuck over to Nepal, I feel, would be unacceptable for many Nepalese, especially as it seems they want to desperately want to get rid of the monarchy. However, it would perhaps allow for some royalists in Nepal to be happy with a figurehead monarch if the Maoists need to form a coalition or the royalists form a large enough block to stop most democratic reform.

sasha   April 12th, 2008 2320 GMT

" Daylight is streaming into the Himalayan palaces: the Maoists have pulled back the curtain in Nepal"????
Getting rid of the King is great but dont forget that the maoists are communist.
Having a constitutional assembly to end a 240 years of monarchy is great but elections havn't been going the way it was suppose to and almost 60 of the voting booths have been seized and the ballots burned.
If these parties are willing to take up violence to get elected how will they write a fair constitution.
Maoist are already leading, which are recognized as a terrorist group by the US.
Not very bright future for nepal.

zzyzx   April 13th, 2008 057 GMT

Is this guy John serious? Yeesh. I would have hoped CNN's supposedly moderated comments section would have enough sense not to post what is obviously just a way for this guy to slip in an ad for his blog.

For the record, the Himalayas are mostly in Nepal, India, and Bhutan (and Pakistani-controlled Kashmir). The southern border of Tibet is the northern edge of the Himalaya range. Tibet proper is situated on the Tibetan Plateau.

Enjoy the extra hits on your blog, John. Yeesh.

- zzyzx

Ash   April 13th, 2008 313 GMT

My friend, before writing any blogs in CNN, you should have at least some knowledge about politics and geography. There are other Monarchies in Asia–Japan, Malaysia...
You analysis is hugely corrupted as you don't seem to know anything about foreign affairs. Why we Nepalese think that these Maoists, Parties and Monarchy is an internal issue. It is a matter of complex foreign affairs and defense. Common people have no understanding what is going on, and India is succeeding in destabilizing Nepal. When the Kings of Sikkim, Nepal, Kashmir (Hyderabad and Gwalior) were offered to surrender the defense, and foreign affairs to India, everyone agreed and became the Union of India, except Nepal. King Mahendra denied, and since then, Monarchy became a problem for India. To eradicate Monarchy, India started ruling through its proxy citizens—the Indian Bihari Prime Minister Girija Prasad being a common example in present days. The Maoists lived in India, parties lived in India, were supported by India, and launched war against king. If you read Sikkim’s history, India had successfully executed a plan like this. I am afraid, Nepal can become another Sikkim. Learn to understand the foreign affairs here, know India’s reality, and form ways to attack upon India. Let Indians know what Nepal is. Dare not Indians presume that we are Sikkimese. Form a coalition of Nepal, Kashmir, Sikkim, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Tibet and other small countries who don’t like India, and invade it. That will be the day when true Gurkha blood will show its color.

Kathleen   April 13th, 2008 322 GMT

Two points: TBhutan and Nepal are not the only monarchies in Asia. Thailand is a monarchy and unless I am mistaken, there is a version of a monarchy operating in Malaysia and Brunei, both of which are sultanates.

Second point, the Himalaya is the tallest mountain range in the world, spreading from Northern India down to Bhutan/Assam and is essentially the border between Nepal and Tibet (Mount Everest is can be approached from either the Nepali or Tibetan side.)

Imran   April 13th, 2008 410 GMT

It's other way around mate, Tibet is in Himalayas so are Nepal and Bhutan. Himalayas even stretch to parts of India, Pakistan, Afghanistan and China.

Check this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Himalaya

-Imran

Marsha   April 13th, 2008 450 GMT

No. That's not true.

Amit   April 13th, 2008 528 GMT

fantastic article ...

Navi Singh   April 13th, 2008 650 GMT

Hello John,

Himalayas are not in Tibet but It is the other way around: Tibet is in the Himalayas, along with so many other countires, i.e. Nepal, Bhutan etc. Hiamalayan range of mountains are also part of India, Pakistan and China.

"The Himalayan mountain system is the planet's highest and home to the world's highest peaks: the Eight-thousanders, including Mount Everest and K2. To comprehend the enormous scale of this mountain range consider that Aconcagua, in the Andes, at 6,962 m, is the highest peak outside Asia, while the Himalayan system includes over 100 mountains exceeding 7,200 meters.

The Himalayan system, which includes outlying subranges, stretches across five countries: Bhutan, China, India, Nepal, Pakistanand Afghanistan. They are the source of three of the world's major river systems, the Indus, the Ganga-Brahmaputra, and the Yangtze. Approximately 1.3 billion people live in the drainage basin of the Himalayan rivers." [quoted from Wikipedia]

David   April 13th, 2008 902 GMT

Is not Thailand also a Kingdom in Asia?

Seb   April 13th, 2008 1053 GMT

leaving Bhutan as the only Kingdom in the Asia...
What about Kingdom of Thailand or Sultanate of Brunei?

Kaushik   April 13th, 2008 1310 GMT

John,
Tibet is in the himalayas.

Nikey   April 13th, 2008 1315 GMT

Some parts of Himalayas yes but not all. Most of the Himalayas are in Nepal and India.

Kaushik   April 13th, 2008 1318 GMT

Dan,

Thailand is a kingdom as well. (it is not an absolute monarchy, but still a monarchy, since it has a parliament with a ruling head of state, just like the united kingdom, which is a kingdom with a parliamentary system (where the parliament has authority over the monarch since 1689).

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Stan   April 13th, 2008 1533 GMT

The only kingdom in Asia?

What about Thailand?

nova   April 13th, 2008 1548 GMT

Bhutan as the only Kingdom in the Asia....? How about Thailand?

Pahari   April 13th, 2008 1550 GMT

Nepalese King seems Happy with the recent poll according to his statement issued this morning.We need to wait few more weeks to find out why king is satisfied with the recent poll (this poll-CA ELECTION is supossed to wipe the monarchy in Nepal!!! )

Ran Sing   April 13th, 2008 1649 GMT

It’s pity though that world still blaming late crown prince Deependra for royal massacre. I think his sole is not going to rest in peace unless he gets rid off from the sin that he had never committed. Perhaps the new government will bring justice and punish the culprit, so gets Deependra's sole freed.

Sid   April 13th, 2008 1711 GMT

Bhutan is not the only kingdom in Asia. Thailand is the other one whose King is the longest serving monarch in the world.

umang, nepal(currently in germany)   April 13th, 2008 1719 GMT

well john, the himalayas are mostly in Nepal, india and bhutan.80% of them lie in nepal and nepal has 8 of 10 highest peaks on earth including sagarmatha (popularly called mt. everest).tibet only shares its southern boarders with himalayas of other countries like nepal ,india and bhutan.

Rajan   April 13th, 2008 1745 GMT

I am happy that you mention Tibet but not China. The major part of Himalayas is in Nepal and some portion in Tibet. Mount everest one of the among 14th highest peak in the world is in Nepal. However some of the part comes under Tibet too which you can see in following link.

http://www.nepaltourismdirectory.com/nepal_travel_information.php?id=23

It seems Nepalis is looking for the change, thats why Maoist are coming up and most of the so called strong politician are loosing the battle. It will be pleasure to see Maoist ruling the country if they will fulfill whatever they have promised to do and not to repeat same mistake done by previous politician and KING himself.

Good lesson for poor politician who loosed badly and better do there homework before coming to next election.

Nice article....

Peace

Anil Adhikari   April 13th, 2008 1837 GMT

most of the [parts of the himalayas lie in the nepal including 9 higest picks of the world including the mt Everest.
so that don't get confused himalays are the parts of Nepal.

Schrodinger   April 13th, 2008 1842 GMT

What a well-written blog! The sheer contrast between the two Himalayan countries is quite astounding from a political standpoint, and everything that follows it. As a Nepali who had an opportunity to travel to Thimpu (Bhutan) in 2002, I couldn't help but compare and contrast the two countries.

Nepal was at cross-roads between full-fledged civil war and absolute monarchy, while Bhutan seemed in a state of utopia, thanks to a caring monarch and his broader popularity amongst the Bhutanese people. In Nepal, democracy was was being viewed as a failure and the political incompetence of the major political parties was being displayed routinely in the form of frequent leadership changes. In Bhutan, against a backdrop of a stable government, democracy was being experimented, as the blogger notes, against the will of the people. The Druk monarch was, in essence, practicing the Buddhist tradition of "gaining more by giving."

Turn the pages to 2008, and with the accent of a new year, it seems almost certain that the political landscape is going to change drastically in Nepal. What it means to the Nepali people and the world, remains to be seen.

Schrodinger
Washington, DC

Jeroen   April 13th, 2008 1904 GMT

Jordan is also a kingdom in Asia, actually.

Haribansha Acharya   April 14th, 2008 049 GMT

The young new king of Bhutan seems like a reasonable fellow. Maybe he can also rethink about welcoming the Bhutanese refugees back from Nepal. Atrocities like these are easier to happen when there is no democracy in the country. The refugees, although of Nepali origin, have been living in Bhutan for generations, and a peace-loving nation like Bhutan can only better their reputation in the world by welcoming them back.

Jain   April 14th, 2008 208 GMT

John,

Please look up any decent atlas and you will not miss the Himalayas. Tibet is only one among the many countries that have the mighty Himalayas as their homes.

swapnil   April 14th, 2008 457 GMT

Let me put it this way, we are comparing apples to oranges.
Nepal and Bhutan are different entities altogether.
1. Current Nepalese king never had any credibility of his own.
2. Nepal is a hub of a lot of undercover secret service activity(alongwith terrorists/).....esp chinese, pakistani, US....i assume even Indian.(though i doubt if they seem effective).

Bhutan on the other hand is much smaller, ethnically homogenoues with a GOOD king.
and its largely isolated.
that makes a big difference

No one i assume even wld imagine letting a bhutanese king rule over nepal....why ????
why not let the Queen rule over US for teh all the nonsense that they are doing in Iraq nd Afghanistan...

Bhutan and Nepal are different countries...let them seek their own futures....help them where they need it and stay out..

India seems to hv the best strategy response to everything in Nepal and Bhutan...its staying away.....(its not in its strategic interest to do so...but still....its taken the higher ground and very correctly)

Nirvaya   April 14th, 2008 719 GMT

Mr. Dan has commented in this article about the possibility of swapping kings in the past like what Britain did in the past. However although he too has rejected any possiblilty of it ever happening, I am sure about the fact that no Nepali born in this country has ever thought about such an option. The thought however seems to be something added in the article just to add the number of characters in the post.
But anyway an interesting imagination. And by the way if anybody is talking about kingdoms in Asia how about thinking about names like Japan, Kuwait, Saudi Arabia, etc. as well. There are still many kingdoms existing in Asia and some of them are active too.

Han Lefering   April 14th, 2008 738 GMT

In Asia the following countries are monarchies:
Japan, Thailand, Cambodja, Federation of Malaya, Bhutan,Nepal, Brunei, Oman, United Arabian Emirates, Katar, Dubai, Kuweit, Jordan,
Saudia Arabia.

Greetings from The Netherlands

Niraj Thapa   April 14th, 2008 934 GMT

Major victory of Maoist in the Nepal's constinuent election has seen that people in Nepal have been fed up with old politician doing nothing for the people in Nepal in past. Now the Nepalese people wants to give a chance to Maoist to run the show and with this I am sure it will bring PEACE in Nepal, peace which Nepalese people have been dying for. Now, If the Maoist do not show the people the progressive way then with so many times that the Nepalese people have been back stabbed. It would let down all the people of Nepal FOREVER!

Pratyush   April 14th, 2008 1029 GMT

There are still king in other countries in Asia, Japan, Malaysia, Thailand, Saudi, Jordan etc.. And as per my knowledge if there is king then the country will directly be called kingdom. So I don't know what the correspondent of this article mean while he wrote, "leaving Bhutan as the only Kingdom in the Asia.. for now.".

About Maoist victory which stunned the world. Being Nepali I could explain why? Nepali citizens were really depressed and broken by the past dirty political game and with the new revolution they want new changes in every aspect. New government, new constitution, new leader & new vision. And Maoist emerged as the last hope with revolutionary vision in country like Nepal were majority of the person live everyday life under poverty and exploitation by rich & politicians.

So in summery it's the drastic change people were dreaming with the new revolution.. but still we need to see whether Maoist will win peoples heart or not...

Bijay Bokhim   April 14th, 2008 1300 GMT

Nepalese need change. Nepal needs a drastic change. People are fed up with the same corrupt politicians coming to power year after year. Everyone who comes to power abuses it. People realized that
the only way to bring about these drastic changes was to try out a new party. And that is the Maoist Party of Nepal.

Maoists are all set to secure a majority in the recently held CA election. Maoist Party had an agenda before they went to the polls. Plus the party has a strong leadership unlike the other parties. Let's just hope that the Maoist Party brings in the much awaited change in Nepal.

The Nepalese people have given chances to everyone. The King, the NC, and the UML. And all of them have failed. Miserably. The only thing remain to be seen is if the Maoist Party of Nepal can live up to peoples' expectations. I hope they do. Because Nepalese people deserve much better.

Lakshman   April 14th, 2008 1713 GMT

Thailand has a constitutional monarchy – just like UK. Although, UK government functions as democracy, technically it's a monarchy. Out of the three layers of government only the parliament is elected by the people. The house of lords and the queen can, and has over ruled the parliament. Some un- democratic acts have been covered over by the establishment- like not privatising The Royal Mail because the queen is opposed to the idea of not having her face in every coin!
The issue of royals not paying taxes have been the other.

ricky   April 15th, 2008 901 GMT

hi dan,
i wondered how you became correspondent (foreign)....before making any statement of any country you should have some knowledge about that country..how long have you stayed in nepal??? how long have u taking interests in politics of nepal? ..next time if u are assigned to cover a news of nepal then don't waste time on luxuries hotels rather than knowing the true sentiment of nepalis and what is goin through nepali people...you are comparing countries like a object just because it is small and have nothing to do with your country....for your knowledge we are not in a mid evil era where there used to be war for a land , killing everything and conquering land...we are in 21st century my friend wake up!
If u think bhutan king can take in place of king gyanendra then why not let the Queen elizabeth rule over US for all the nonsense that they are doing in Iraq and Afghanistan just like swopnill said or why not king gyanendra take throne in united states of america so that there will be no blood shed in world. I being a citizen of nepal always regarded king gyanendra as a resourseful person who is always dedicated for the beterment of people but his actions was not followed by the politicians who were corrupted and unsincere. so he failed to keep the promise of many nepalis who were hoping for a change.

dan   April 15th, 2008 1444 GMT

Ok – huge oversight. There are other monarchies in Asia. Blog written late, with withered brain from too many late nights and early starts.

Apologies to all who spotted my deliberate mistake.

Dan.

dan   April 15th, 2008 1445 GMT

I meant absolute monarchy...

KodeBlue   April 16th, 2008 731 GMT

Only kingdom in Asia? what about Japan?

Brian   April 16th, 2008 1325 GMT

I thought rulers using their position for personal gain was stricktly a caucasion problem. Europe was basically a poor area until kings sent out ships to bring them the riches from other nations. Look at the Mayans, The spanish sailed to their lands, raped and killed and then stole every treasure they could find. When they sailed back, their explination was that these peoples had died out long ago. When the truth of that was that the spanish slaughtered the "godless" people of those lands to make it their own. Religon is a blight upon this world.

Sorry I got off on a rant but European countries involvement in affairs of other nations is a soft spot for me.

Nations that are not ready for democracy should not have it forced upon them. If followers of a certain leader are going to burn ballot boxes, on that leader's orders or not, these people are clearly not ready for democracy.

jenny   April 17th, 2008 750 GMT

Well !! One major fact eerily missing in the debate is the fate of millions of forgotten Bhutanese refugees forced into the difficult exile life in the other countries , majority of them in Nepal. These millions are tortured , coaxed, and eventually forced out of their motherland just because they were in minority, with different looks, languages and religion. So happiest nation ??

Bhutan is the happiest nation ??? when you have forced millions of your own citizen, who you dont like and who has a different point of vies , into exile, who wont be the happiest.

When western media talk about Bhutan , they only see the masked dancers on the backdrop of himalays, they dont see those political prisoners behind the bars. Bhutan is not only the King and his four wives but is also the country where millions of bhutanese of nepali origins have paid the ultimate price to make the other half happiest people in the world.

The wide spread human rights violations in Bhutan is of course not important for the western media and the " activist "

To summarise Bhutan is not what its pictured to be. It is still a medieval kingdom which is ruled by the elites , both political and religious. There is still wide spread suppression of people of different religion and language. There are still lots of political prisoners.

And as your final line says its still the king who decides EVERYTHING...

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Pradhot Sharma   April 18th, 2008 626 GMT

Your perspective on Nepal is more biased than balanced. What you conveniently failed to acknowledge is the fact that the historic election was peaceful overall. There were more than 20,000 polling stations across the country, and you are more interested in reporting about "allegations of fraud" in one of the 30 stations than the actual euphoria generated by the election in thousands others. Your April video "Ex-communist rebels ahead in Nepal poll" also presents an absolute wrong notion about a relatively peaceful election and the overwhelming mandate for the Maoists. You don't want to report why old parities lose, why people want the Maoists, what vision do they give. Your bias is more towards communism and towards a poor country that wants change. Is your role as a journalist is to portray a negative image of a country because you believe in a certain ideology? If you do that in your personal blog, I don't care. But how is that CNN accepts a lopsided view and not insists on the actual view.
Moreover, your suggestion of kingdom swapping is as idiotic as it can be. You hardly know about the royalties, political dynamics and people of Nepal, or of Bhutan. Your reports show the best example of arm-chair journalism. When you mention about dodging from "flying stones" I remember seeing international journalists in safe corners and five-star hotels reporting the events. You mention such incidents because they look good on your profile. I appreciate other CNN journalist more for their bravery and balanced view than your scorn for a poor country like mine.
And yes, there is nothing called Peacock throne in Nepal. It was in Mogul India. Wish you were more informed to serve as a better journalist.

elme   April 19th, 2008 715 GMT

(Originally posted at THE SWAMP website):

Just watch the videos. He did it twice, in the same day, at two separate events. He made the gesture at the same point in his speech – the crowd understood what he meant. Actions speak louder than words. This man is not fit to be a US Senator.

First speech:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DygBj4Zw6No

Second speech:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zhkq11UExcw
Posted by: james | April 18, 2008 3:47 PM
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If Obama gets the nod it will be due solely to Black hypocrisy and White guilt. Great way to get a president! You think the last 8 years were a mess...just wait!
Posted by: Sandee Enriquez | April 18, 2008 5:30 PM

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My comment: Just IMAGINE if Hillary Clinton had given two speeches yesterday at two different locations and used that same gesture at the same point in both speeches - would ANY of the TV 'news" people be asking: was she ...Just.... scratching her face?

NO. The would be analyzing both videos frame by frame, they would make NO MISTAKE about it ... they would BLARE it all day every day on every station .... AGHAST! WHAT is WRONG with HER! Who does she think she is! Has she lost her mind! How can she even IMAGINE anyone would vote for her ... AFTER ... she did such an INSANE thing!

What I SAW: Yesterday, on a website, I viewed a video of one of the speeches – the video was not clear enough to tell whether he was using his middle finger or not & the sound wasn't working so the only conclusion I could come to was: don't know, can't tell.

Last evening on CNN (Anderson Cooper 360) video of one of Obama's speeches where he made the finger "gesture" was played, then his speech was discussed by the assembled talking heads -the finger gesture was Neither mentioned nor discussed.

In the video on TV It was clearly his middle finger; with the sound on, in concert with his facial expressions and crowd reactions, it was OBVIOUSLY Deliberate.

Today, on CNN a dark-haired female news person played the video, WITH the soundtrack ON – but the Video was STOPPED before the finger gesture, THEN came back ON just before the finger gesture
-- BUT - With the SOUND OFF as the finger gesture was played.

The news woman then said - well maybe he was just scratching his face - What do you think?

Here's what I think - I think if Clinton had done that twice yesterday .... the news woman would not be asking us ... was it just scratching .... what do we think – she would be TELLING US .... LOOK what Clinton did .... What a disgrace!

The only ACT in recent history or memory as LOW, asinine, and JUVENILE as Obama's F-You gesture aimed at Senator Clinton was committed by Obama's cousin, Dick Cheney - when he said "Go F-Yourself to Patrick Leahy .... on the Senate floor.

I'm waiting for "the Media" to ask Obama: Do you make the SAME GESTURE to your WIFE when you don't like what she said?
Your grandmother .... people who accidentally run into you in the grocery store?

Here's what I EXPECT CNN and MSNBC to do starting TOMORROW: PLAY both videos all day every day for a week – with dozens of talking heads expressing their condemnation of Obama's outrageous Acts all day every day.

WHEN Clinton included the Bosnia sniper fire remarks in a few speeches - the MEDIA - as they reported .... went back & checked old news footage to see if her words corresponded with what was shown on the old videos. The MEDIA then played those old videos all day every day for a week - decrying the fact that Clinton's words did not correspond with reality.

NOW I EXPECT the media to play those two Obama videos - Decrying the fact that Obama's ACTIONS are not in concert with his words about "A New Kind of Politics", "transcending division", "turn the page".

Pradhot Sharma   April 20th, 2008 936 GMT

Is CNN moderator fired for something else? If not, fire him/her for allowing cheap ads of this person called John.

If you cannot really moderate comments, CNN should not post the moderation policy that says:

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Please don't make a big farce of your own corporate image. Are you listening?

Ajay   April 21st, 2008 919 GMT

The Himalaya, about 2400 Km long mountain range, borders Tibet with South Asia. The northern slope of the Himalaya is Tibet, whereas southern slope is shared by India, Bhutan, Nepal, and Pakistan. The central part of Himalaya, perhaps the largest too, is Nepal. Check google earth.

Nepali   April 21st, 2008 1832 GMT

The King of Bhutan threw out 1/3 of his population because they were of Nepali origin. You say the Bhutanese are the happiest people? Damn!! get off ur seat and go look into the refugee camps in Nepal where Bhutanese refugee are kept. It's a very big jail. But i don't know..they probably are happy..coz i read somewhere that u don't need wealth to be happy. happiness is ingrown...u can't buy it. If none of this explanation work out..then i will believe that the Bhutanese people are the happiest, coz the mighty CNN said so.

And by the way, King Gyanendra did not kill his uselss then King Brother. It was the then Crown Prince Dipendra. We heard people in the room telling us the facts, but the world wants to go abt with their own interpretation. We like stories..that's why these kinda bs comes out big.

My opinion; King Gyanendra is a lot better than the King of Bhutan. Yes, he did not go to Oxford, but does Oxford really make a better King?? Stop advertising ur overpriced white schools, just stay on the fact. One of Nepal uselss prime minister's also went to London School of Economics, and he couldn't handle Nepal as well. I am supporting King G here becoz i know he took a brave step for the betterment of Nepal. He did not sit idly like sorry brother. The only upset for Nepal are the people themselves..lazy and critical of everything. No one wants to work, ain't no patriots there. King G was the last patriot, but he'll be gone.

And now, let me support the maoist, ah man..i'm tired of typing..
Nepali people need discipline. King G tried it, he failed. But I'm quite sure the Maoists can do it..coz they have actually killed people...they know how to make things workd. Let the Nepali people get some food, discipline, education, and deep love for the country, then we can start talking abt the new religion called DEMOCRACY.

hrao   April 22nd, 2008 1242 GMT

What is with the Hillary vs Obama discussion?

kandroma   April 24th, 2008 2253 GMT

The worst thing about Nepal's maoists is they have been sending new Tibetan refugees back to China–which is a death sentence. Let them proceed to Dharmsala, which the UN supports and is the only humane thing to do.

maheshwar   April 24th, 2008 2340 GMT

Nice article. I just want to answer about the query of mr. john that he said himalayas are only in tibet. That's not true sir, the himalayan range starts from afganistan and goes up to burma. And there are 8 highest peak among 14 workd's largest peak only in Nepal. And the one is everyone knows Mt. Everest , world's highest peak.

pranay chettri   April 25th, 2008 529 GMT

it is naive to think that you can swap kings, let alone rulers. yes, this is a blog and we can think how we want to. it doesn't stop it from being ridiculous however. and rambling too.

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