I think the chinese deserved whatever they got in london. U can be talking about hosting a world-wide games and you still have cases of human right abuses hanging over your head. They better go and correct their human rights record if they actually wants many countries to participate at the olympics otherwise it will be worst seen than told.

British Prime Minister Gordon Brown did the right thing to separate the sports from politics. Just imaging what would happen when the Olympics torch is constantly being harassed four years from now by Activists for Free Falkland!

Congratulations to all the protesters for successfully pushed average Chinese people to the same side as the Chinese government! Just look how average Chinese respond to the coverage of what happened in Tibet by the western media. I have no doubt that many Chinese will simply wonder what China has to do to please the damn west and/or whether human right is the issue here.

It’s the freedom to post any message, but just want to know if you have the experience to travel in Tibet? AND the protester, who has been travelling in Tibet?
We need to know the truth, unfortunately, China goverment is not beleiveable since it’s bad reputation in the history, but now the truth is not as that said by dalai lama.

I strongly support Beijing. And I believe it benefits Beijing in those protests. Let’s the pro-China protesters speak out, in front of those pro-Tibet people. Conflicts of ideas lead to better understanding and closeness to truth.

I believe you underestimated Chinese leadership too much. China is a vast country. The Olympics is just a sporting event. To put those protester’s or rights groups’ words and actions on the same level of Beijing leadership is hilariously uneducated. Such moral farce serves no ends but self-justification. Do a survey and tell us how many Chinese people are buying into this hypocracy? It is nothing but ‘ideological masturbation’.

Hypocrites or Corporate greed.
It is amazing that the same organizations that kept South Africa out of the Olympics for 40 years because of Apartheid now claim we should not mix politics with sport. The sport sanctions imposed on South Africa contribute directly to democracy and Nelson Mandela’s release. What is happening not only in Tibet, but to the people such as Falun Gong in China http://www.CIPFG.org is far worse then anything the apartheid regime ever practiced.

Is the deafening silence from the I.O.C. , mayor sponsors and government’s to China’s human right and environmental abuses due to a sudden change in political policy or the power of the mighty dollar and cheap Chinese labor.
J.J. Ueckermann
South African passport holder

If they use Olympic as a chance to seek independence .It’s disgusting !

While I symphatize with the Tibetans’ cause, I strongly feel it is wrong to politicize the Olympics. By disrupting the relay, at least it seems to me, protesters are undermining the meaning and tradition of the Olympic games. I wish for safety for the runners and hope the torch reaches Beijing on time.

Then you can see what is a “peaceful” protest claimed by the medias. Olympic is the world sport belonging to the people of the whole world. Political views should be kept away form Olympic.

Ok, I know for sure that my comment will not appear on this blog, because “Comments are moderated by CNN, in accordance with the CNN Comment Policy, and may not appear on this blog until they have been reviewed and deemed appropriate for posting. ” Who are fabricating news and controlling media? Communist China? What a joke. Whoever saw the thousands and thousands of Chinese flags in London today will not write a blog as biased as this one. God bless you brain washed people. Just keep doing this. You will see your end in ten years.

When the torch is here in LA, we are going to organize a protest against US on its occupation of Iraq!!!

It is interesting that CNN reported details on the names and the slogans of these Tibet fighters. However, CNN never reported what the other hundreds of pro-Beijing demonstrators’ message. This is kind of biased report by CNN has been very consistent anytime there is something going on against China’s interest. CNN should go to hell!

Looking at the criminal intent of thest Tibet fighters during these protests, I really believe the Chinese government is doing the right thing to put down the criminal riots inside Tibet. The Chinese government is putting these criminals to trial. Right thing to do!

Before CNN or these Tibet fighters talk about the brutal regime in Beijin, they should take a look at the even more brutal ruling of Dalai Lama of his own Tibet people before he was driven out by the Chinese army 50 year ago. Majority of these Tibet Fighters are the sons and daughters of the old Tibet elites who were all part of the brutal Dalai Lama regime.

Disgusting Free Tibet fighters. They should all go to hell.

Shame on those pro-Tibetan demonstrators! You guys didn’t respect Oliympic and didn’t respect all people in the world who love peace!

What a peaceful demonstration in London!

Dalai Lama, I used to respect you BUT this time, can you appeal you people to stop grabbling or extinguishing the touch and let it go back to Beijing?

Is it a one-sided media? May be yes, but the Chinese Government is not doing themselves a favor by censoring what is really happening inside as well.

If China wants to come out and be a leader of the world, then there is responsibilities. Respect is earned, not given and China needs to earn that respect by setting a good example that they are ready for the world stage.

I really do not think the issue here is really Tibet. Tibet is not ready for independence nor self rule. Most of the culture practice may even considered uncivilized by the modern world. US has gone through the same issues with their native Americans and so does Australia. But by censoring news and information just does not work.

Shame on those pro-Tibetan demonstrators! You guys didn’t respect Oliympic and didn’t respect all people in the world who love peace!

What a peaceful demonstration in London!

Dalai Lama, I used to respect you BUT this time, can you appeal you people to stop grabbling or extinguishing the torch and let it go back to Beijing?

CNN

I believe you will never report me to your government as china’s press has done.

USA

I believe you will never put someone who insult you into jail as CCP has done.

This time, why not cut off the part of protestors attacking the torch like what you did last time when you cut off the “Tibet Fighters” attacking the police truck and only leave the comment saying Chinese troops are marching in Lasah? No problem with the page layout this time?

Wanna learn some really popular Chinese slang now? When you try to tell someone to not be dishonest and sneaky, you say:

Zuo ren bu neng tai CNN.

(don’t be too CNN please)

I am a Chinese and I now live in Australia. I believe CNN has the responsibility to stop crime and I believe even in USA people would be in jail if they broke the law.

If the CNN don’t make biased report, why they didn’t do anything to report the very clear evidence that showed Dalai Lama has lied. The very detailed evidence can be easily found in Chinese website.

David, please, save your blather for the ignorant. No who has ever seen Tibet will believe that what the Chinese government has done there is anything but cultural (now actual) genocide. No government is perfect, but the Tibetans chose the Dalai Lama, not the Han. Now they are educated in Mandarin and learn that Mao somehow saved them from their happy and peaceful lives. CNN and other legitimate news agencies report what is actually happening there and nothing more. It is the Chinese government that makes this genocide a newsworthy story, not the Dalai Lama. Get over hate and realize that China will open to free media sooner rather than later and we can all get on with our lives in a way that we all choose instead of in a way that Xinhua chooses for the Chinese and there oppressed minorities.

I feel ashamed by the sabotage people who want to politicalize Olympic Game. As a Chinese people, i dont think my country’s human rights is worse than you said. In fact, the issue of China lack of opinion freedom is improving day by day. Most importantly, in daily life, Chinese people are more free than your west people. Last year in Lhasa, i can walk in the street at 2am or 3 am alone; on weekend, we go to bar or other Tibetan friends’ home to watch “English Premier League” soccer match on Tv. But now after Mar 14th, Lhasa’s supermarkets and shopes mostly close at 7 pm, and many clubs and other entertainments no more than 10pm shut off. The 24hours-run city have become lack of entertainments, the citizens feel unsafe…..
These are what you want to see,Ah,the selfish west people!!!!!????Your bias media, what do you want? You want to see a separated China? Who said Tibetan people miserable, have you compare the Lhasa with Daramsala? Only if you have been to the two area, you just know what great efforts in developing Tibet and maintain the peace Chinese people have done, and you just know which part has the real peaceful and harmonious life.
The simple and too bias west media and statemen/statewomen, you have destroyed Chinese people’s basic dignity time and time. If you dont like Beijing Olympic Game, you can leave at your home, but please not to slander China and Chinese people.This time, we are really hurt, meanwhile,our angers are increasing day by day. We cannot believe how strong bias your west are.
“One world, one dream”, a peaceful world is our Chinese dream. Now we have felt our peace and stability threaten by your bias media, because you intentionally or unintentionally create the fake news to stimulate the innocent outside people anti-China. We are very aggrieved, but most of Chinese cannot explain it too much and clearly because of our poor English. Here, I want to emphasize again that the term of “Chinese” mean a unity of 56 ethnic groups, not just Han and not Tibetan or other ethnic groups. This is the essential difference of identity between Chinese people and Dalai Lama-a narrow nationalist who just ask for his personal benefits even stimulating some rioters to kill many innocent people.
Lastly, i want to tell your west, China’s peace and stability is the most contribution for the world’s peace!!!!!!!!
Chinese people should win the Nobel prize of peace!!!!!!

David, I believe you are in a serious state of mis-information. Doing a google search of your phrase “brutal Dalai Lama regime” turns up nobody (in the online world) using the same line or anything even remotely close. I’m sorry to see you standing by yourself on this one. Cheers - Dave

Tibet is a very complex issue. I am an American who lived in China 2002-2007. Here is something that every supporter of a free Tibet should keep in mind… The VAST majority of Chinese people truly believe that the invasion and occupation of Tibet was an act of kindness. As David says above, the believe that the Dali Lama was a brutal dictator. As one of my Chinese friends said (to my amusement) “Chinese people are different from Americans. We are peaceful friendly people.” I, vaguely insulted by the implication, responded, “What about all those people that you killed when you Invaded Tibet?” He looked at me as one might look at a charming, but simpleminded child. “We only killed the bad people.” He replied.
Chinese people are feircely patriotic and tend to believe what their government teaches them to believe. Most Chinese truly believe that they are being persecuted by the international press. There is no guilt for taking over Tibet or sympathy for the Tibetan people, since It is believed by most Chinese that Tibetan people were happy when their government was destroyed and replaced by a foreign power. You see, Chinese people believe wholeheartedly that Tibet is and always has been a part of China. When The government is attacked over the issue of Tibet The only reason for International condemnation that makes sense to the Chinese is fear, jealousy, or hatred of the PRC.

Now here are some things that Pro-Beijing people should remember. (1)Most foreigners believe that Chinese people have been misinformed and brainwashed by their Government. I don’t take at face value ANYTHING that ANY government tells me. You shouldn’t either. (2)Because Tibet was a part of China at one time did not make it a part of China when Mao (a brutal Dictator) invaded it and announced that it was a good thing to do. (3)Tibet is being raped. In the massive outdoor markets of Beijing there are rows and rows of Tibetan art, handicrafts and religious items being sold for profit by Han Chinese. (3)Tibetans are justifiably angry that most of the tourist dollars spent in Tibet end up in the pocket of a Han Chinese. Not to mention the religious insults. In Beijing you can buy bowls made from the skull of a Tibetan monk. (normally a very religious item)

I urge Chinese to remember that from the International perspective, China did to Tibet what Japan almost did to China a decade earlier.

Finally, expect to hear a lot more from Tibet (and Taiwan) in the coming months. The people who have lived in fear of the CCP now have the attention of the world. This will change things in the PRC.

Those against these protests claim that the Olympics is a sporting event and not a place for politics. Really? Do you honestly believe that China worked so hard to get the Olympics in order to showcase their wealth of athletic talent? Of course not. China wanted to use the Olympics as a political platform to show the world how much it has changed and, in turn, stimulate economic investment. The torch continues to symbolize this political thinking. It can, therefore, be protested against just as any political stance can be protested against in a free society.

The tibetan demonstrators are just trying to get their voices heard by disrupting the Olympic Torch Relay, but it will only shut their doors for any negotiations with the Chinese government and jeopardize the relationship for the future.

The situation will not change before, during or after the Olympic Games, if not even get worse for the tibetans, who are living in Tibet. It is a small group of Tibetans or demonstrators that are trying to cause trouble using Tibet as pretext for their actions.

The Olympic Games are platform for sportsmen/women around world to compete peacefully. If I see these kind of things happen on tv, I feel so sorry for the people who have done so much to get this great event organized.

To tibet supporters, you will not get anywhere by doing so! Shame on all these people trying to use the Olympic Games to show their anger and dramatize the situation! You have accepted your fate for decades and the Olympic Games is not event for violence.

To the media, there is no good in reporting those events as headlines as this is just what these people are trying to do.

I was born in Tibet. When i was young, I heard every older Tibetans were cursing Mao. Because these people have the sad and frightening memory of Mao’s PLA.
Please go to Tibet. See yourself what is going on in Tibet. Try to find out what we Tibetans want and why.

I do accept that Tibet before 1959 was materially backward. But at that time no Tibetan government army was send to monastry and force to denounce their religious leader. No Tibetan army had killed the prisoners in infront of their family members and ordered to pay for the bullets they used to kill their own members.
If you don’t believe, then go to Tibet and find yourself the truth.

We Tibetans are not criminal. We are fighting for our own freedom.
Those Tibetans inside Tibet are not criminal. They are sacrificing and endangering their own life for other’s freedom. Those brave Tibetans’ selfless effort should be treated well if you can’t support them.
For us, Tibetans, these people are our heroes. One for all, All for one.

May peace prevail on earht. Long Live His Holiness the Dalai Lama!

Brutal Tibet regime? That’s a new one.

It’s time China faced up to the fact that the world is watching and it often does not like what it sees.

As an animal rights activist who has seen the most appalling brutality inflicted on animals by the laws of the Chinese government, I for one am 100% behind the protestors if it starts giving the repressive regime in China something to think about.

NOBODY can deny that there is little or no freedom of expression or media freedom in China, that religious freedom is a joke and that human and animal rights abuses are rife.

How can the world stand by and not say something? As for those who say the Olumpics and politics shouldn’t mix - funny, that’s what the National Party government used to say in South Africa during the apartheid years when South Africa was banned from participating in the Olympics?

Are you saying they were right?

If most Chinese people think we Tibetans are happy under Chinese rule, then I want to say loud and clear…………

WE Tibetans are not happy under Chinese Rule. We have no Freedom.
WE Tibetans are not happy under Chinese Rule. We have no Freedom.
WE Tibetans are not happy under Chinese Rule. We have no Freedom.
WE Tibetans are not happy under Chinese Rule. We have no Freedom.
WE Tibetans are not happy under Chinese Rule. We have no Freedom.
WE Tibetans are not happy under Chinese Rule. We have no Freedom.
WE Tibetans are not happy under Chinese Rule. We have no Freedom.
WE Tibetans are not happy under Chinese Rule. We have no Freedom.

GO TO TIBET(AMDO, KHAM, U-TSANG). FIND YOURSELF THE TRUTH.

All protesters said Chinese government should stop “violent suppression” of the Tibetan people. What choice do they have when gansters are burning shops and killing people. Imagine if this had happened in Washington DC, would police just stand idly? Remember what happened in France when riots broke out a year ago? Did the police there just watch? Unreasonable request to the Chinese will only cause them to hate us.

I hope someday Tibetan people will rule han people.

And I want to hear Tibetan people constantly insist han people are very happy under Tibetan Rule.

In 2012 there will be protest in Londen or terrorist attacks (free Iran…).. The Olypics have become a political tool.

What’s the problem? China wanted publicity and China got it. In the UK, we don’t believe in controlling everyone’s opinions.

As a Londoner, I am PROUD of yesterday’s demonstrations, and proud that pictures of yesterday’s dismal torch relay have been sent around the world … though, of course, they won’t be seen in China.

Thank goodness I live in a country where people can make their views known. Thank goodness there are at least some people left who consider human rights to be more important than sport and trade. I hope other political leaders will have greater courage than my Prime Minister, however, and decline to participate in China’s parade.

human rights - such a big topic! i’ve been confused on how to measure human rights accross countries; and if the result after measuring it turns out to be nasty, what will be the measures to be taken (by who?) to correct the nastyness?

China is no good in human rights protection due to a lot of reasons such as a fake legal system, government structure, education system designed by the ruling party. When things wrong discovered, the so-called human rights protectors accross the first world swarm out to turn it down - good and great!

But, what about some obvious nasty human rights phenomema happening in the first world countries? Asian people in these countries are being looked down upon, hit by local people on streets with excuses that Asian people are grabbing their work opportunities, shouted by local people with popular words like ‘f..k asian’, ‘get out of our country’ , extremely difficult to be in a lease contract for the tidy excuse ‘pan-frying may dirt the kitchen’… … …

Recently, hit by a glass bottle from a car with noise of ‘f..k asian’, then called local police. When showing the car plate number to the Gentleman, got an answer ‘have you got any evidence for the hit? if not, such as video recording, we can do nothing.’

If these belong to nasty human rights record, shall we pause for a while? and then, curse…….

To Asian: You are a damned racist Indian. Don’t try to hide behind so-called “Asian” label. So arrogant Indian want to call himself “Asian”. Like USA person calling himself “American”. You Indians still feel angry because you lost the war to China in 1962. So you want to be anti-China? I feel sorry for you, wallowing in hatred for so long. Please get a life, if you still have the time left.

Here is an interesting fact:
Tibet Blogs are flooded with paid PRC personnel who pretend
on being Westerners with pro Beijing views. This is part of a vast
and sophisticated propaganda made in China.

Tsering Samdup, Asian, I feel so sorry about your comment. This is not something about who is ruling whom. And I dont really understand what freedom you are talking about? If you are educated, then you should know freedom is not riot.
Jason, oh..you call it ‘Invasion of Tibet’? Then Everyone in the world should know that United States Invaded Irag and Afghanistan. And Please learn some History, I believe you should know New Mexico was not belong to United States, and there are thoudsands regions in the world that want to be independant, if they cant be independant, then you call that country invaded it? Thats so funny,
CNN, Please do your report on the same level. Other Countries’ affair please let themselves handle….this is really NOT your Business. CNN never report something good about China, why dont you report that China goverment sent many Pandas to the United States as a friendship between the peoples of the two countries?
China is still growing country, ofcourse China has lots of problems. But I think it has been a great change in the 50 years, its not only about the economy, also the political system that works in China has been improved a lot. Give China sometimes,I guess United States is not a country only has 59years National History.
If United States stop interfacing other countries’ business, and stop sending their troops to other countries, Stop selling arms to other countries, we will have a better world. Peace.
Olympic is ONLY a sports Event, really nothing else.

http://www.tchrd.org/publications/topical_reports/drapchi_prison-2001/

http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=16115&id=1205164463&l=9094d

As the Summer Olympic nears, Tibrtans are wrongly encouraged by Activitists of all shape and colors to riots, murders, commit arson, protest and to demonstate!

I hope they will realise that in the long term this will come back to haunt them for the simple reason that this is simply not the right way or the correct way to behave.

If you want to come to the table to talk, then you have to be seen to behave properly, instead of adopting murderous tactics, cos at the end of the day, you forfeit your rights to complain about the other side reacting to those tactics.

Newtons law say, ‘EVERY ACTION HAS AN EQUAL AND OPPOSITE REACTION’

Simply put, if you riots like a murderous mob, then you can expect deadly reactions.

Also, CNN …I am sure this will be censored by you as a proof that you are not open or unbiased as you claimed to be.

I used to very extremely pro-American and anti-Chinese after years of soaking up western media at face value. I sided with US position on China in every issue, because the news was crafted to lead me to those anti-China views. Look up “demagogue” on Wikipedia to see what techniques western media and governments use.

Then I read “CONQUEST 501″ by NOAM CHOMSKY. The facts in that book not taught in history class or mention in western media was an eye-openner. I still read CNN, FOXNEWS, Economist, etc. The real news is not the content but their presentation of the news and the news thats missing.

Before jumping to a conclusion like “Tibet good, China evil”, consider that such a conclusion may not even be yours. From Wikipedia: ” skilled demagogues often need to use only special emphasis by which an uncritical listener will be led to draw the desired conclusion themselves, seeding a belief that is self-reinforced rather than one based on fact or truth….While it may not rely heavily upon outright lies, the use of half-truths, omissions, and distortions are what define demagogy”

Now challenge your views with the following excerpts from news:

OMISSIONS:

CNN: “Protests disrupt Olympic torch ceremony” (March 24):
http://edition.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/europe/03/24/torch.relay/index.html

“Police said they detained the three French protesters — members of the Paris-based media rights group Reporters Without Borders, who had evaded security to unfurl the black banner, which depicted the Olympic rings as handcuffs.”

The omission that changes the story: funding of Reporters Without Borders includes the Center for Free Cuba and National Endowment for Democracy (NED), both funded by US government.

According to Allen Weinstein, one of the founders of NED, “A lot of what we [NED] do today was done covertly 25 years ago by the CIA” (Blum, Rogue State: A Guide to the World’s Only Superpower, 2000, p. 180). NED has principally supported candidates with strong ties to the military and who support the rights of U.S. corporations to invest in those countries with minimal restriction.

Here’s was NED says about itself on its website: “In the aftermath of World War II, faced with threats to our democratic allies and without any mechanism to channel political assistance, U.S. policy makers resorted to covert means, secretly sending advisers, equipment, and funds to support newspapers and parties under siege in Europe. When it was revealed in the late 1960’s that some American PVO’s were receiving covert funding from the CIA to wage the battle of ideas at international forums, the Johnson Administration concluded that such funding should cease, recommending establishment of “a public-private mechanism” to fund overseas activities openly.” (http://www.ned.org/about/nedhistory.html#origins )

Daniel Junqua, the vice-president of the French section of RWB, claims that the NED’s funding does not compromise RWB’s impartiality. Are we also to believe US congressmen when they say money from lobbyists and big corporation did not influence their decision to support legislation that favors them?

I have to go to work now, stay tuned for Part II.

MY TURN

Smoke from burned houses silhouetted the Tibetan sky
Innocent lives lost unnoticed, only parents cry
Repression! The story you had long cooked found its light
Anywhere else you turned with a blind eye

You get paid for giving things a clever spin
Facts need not get in the way of a good storyline
BBC, CNN: Keeping to the dream of yesterday’s colonial masters must be a pain –
The world’s fate is for you to decide; on other people’s business you must opine!

You accuse us of cultural genocide,
Like your granddads’ prey on:
Chinese, Jews, Africans, Aborigines, American Indians and Indian Indians …
While you were busy dispatching your young on gunboats to raid foreign lands
We built the Great Wall and sent Admiral Zheng for port calls – that’s our tradition

How many generations we have tried, how much sacrifice we have made!
Because of who we are you simply deny what we deserve
How dare you paint with one brush a nation with 1.3 billion humankind!
Forgive me for saying: In your abode there are still plenty of bad habits that you preserve

The world is not fair and we are happy for where you are –
Though grilling you on how you got there may cause you anguish
Our struggles from the Opium Wars to Tiananmen Square have not been for nothing
And we know there is still much we need to finish

My Tibetan sisters and brothers: Thank you for spreading prosperity in the Himalayas
Our unwavering support for family members no one should doubt!
Do be aware of outsider’s empty shows and shallow bows
Some are good at chewing you up and spitting you out

One World, One Dream: A big party is ready for friends near and afar
Come and join us to celebrate the Spirit and share laughter
Step into our place and aim at ignorance and prejudice
China and the world, our tomorrow will be far, far better!

Kuang;

Every human has a right to dream what world in one’s mind one wants.
The country is just a organization organizied by the people living in a
land to service themselves.
Every people could choose which life he/she want, enen chinese.
Tibetans why not? I hope chinese can respect tibetans’ wish, as you
respect yourself. If so, then world’s peace will come true.
I hope olympic game in beijing will succeed.

To those who are using fake western names and obvious bad English in the posts, I’d just like to assure you that it is obvious that you are not westerners and your simplistic n naive plan to gain support is exactly the same method used by China to control its media and brainwashed its people. WE ARE NOT THAT NAIVE.

If Tibet is as happy as China has assured the world, why not let the free press roam in and document these Chinese “improvements” and “gifts” to the Tibetan culture? If that were true, trust me, everyone would shut up and give the respect China has earned. That’s right, respect is earned not given. This is a modern world…this is one world. We are all here and we are going to be heard whether China likes it or not.

I am Chinese racially and I am ashamed of what is going on in China.

When you say respect Tibetabs’s wish, do you know what the most of Tibetans wants? Dalai Lama only reprents a very small number of Tibetans. Obvously it’s some western media supported political riots. They use such a stupid way to threaten Chinese Government and Chinese people which is unacceptable. I feel very sorry for CNN and BCC, etc. western media. They use their influence to cheat the world with distortion report. This again remind me a famous saying: Americans, big nose, smell and interfer everywhere. Stop interfer, stop culture invision. Let every country and its people to decide what they want. This is the “real freedom”, the peaceful world will only come true then.

to Steve Mierzejewski,
And that is what your westen world does not want to see and feel threated.And then you use the Dalai Lama and the Tibet issues as a good weapon to destruct china since we got no enemies like the Bin Laden.

To all BBC & CNN news presenters…celebration time.. All the Chinese on this planet salute you for a great job well done. Can’t wait for 2012 to come.

I was in London as a ‘neutral’ (just wanted to see the celebs), and have to say that there were thousands of protesters, and only a handful of Chinese supporters. Protesters were all very peaceful, but very emotional and angry.

Andrew Lee, many free tibet demonstrators like you have no idea the past and present of Tibet, If you really want to know Tibet and Chinese human right rights record, please do travel to China, speak to ordinary Chinese people yourself! Speak to Tibet people inTibet now those lived in your neighbourhood. Also stop being malicious and mean, it is very prejudice and subjective.

ich glaube, this war of words will lead the world to nowhere. but some politicians will gain what they may not otherwise. a sinister smile they may hide in the shadow of their banners.
the fact is simple, if you all respect history, the slave owners of the former slavery regime of Tibet before 1950s, protege of the Ming, Qing, and China Nationalist Government for centuries now found themselves a precious chance to snarl their grievances. of course they have their much bemoaned moans. but think about it, dear passionate human right advocate from all quarters of the world, what human rights you think is due to whom? the slave owners? let them come back and still summon their lost slaves and properties?
i would like this question to be answered first before we go any further to a grandeous topic, cultural genocide.
yes the following grand topic will be what is cultural genocide: becuz you found there are more hans than tibetans in Lhasa? and tibetan handicrafts sold everywhere in china?
i bought coke and will enjoy McDonald almost every city in europe, what do u call this?
then the second grand picture we may come is, how is human rights to be realised: throwing stones at passers-by becuz they are not your nationals? and burn their shops, and kill them will fire?
these acts are condemned once by voices all over the world no matter what may come behind, either ethnic conflicts as we have seen in the middle east, or some other continents. but when it comes to this monk’s devine “peaceful” assults, many conscientious voices seem just to have been dimmed with some God know what germ in their throat.
human rights must be long live, not a certain monk, for poeple beside the tibetans; human rights need love, not hatred, charity, not bias, and most of all, patience, definitely not violence.
if you do respect other nations just as your own, as you may confess with you general human rights idea, do please allow history some tine and only time can prove who is right or wrong.
here i should show my respect to northern americans’ first nation stories, and other similar stories; and would not mix it with ideological differences and the love of democracy.
my questions are for educated and respectable readers, if they would care to notice.

This is to Van and people who think like Van,
If you don’t know what freedom we are talking about, then go to Tibet(Amdo, Kham and U-Tsang), and stay like Tibetans. Keep H.H the Dalai Lama’s photo in your house.
Then cross the Himalayas (remember Nangpa la shooting) on foot and become refugee.
Then ask yourself what kind of freedom we Tibetans want.

This is the journey most Tibetan refugees took in their life……….

We Tibetans are not against Olympic Game. But how can we make our voice heard when many states ignored our plight as just INTERNAL AFFAIR.

Our government in exile sent six round of delegations to china to start a talk with the leadership of PRC. No positive result.
But Chinese attitute toward the Dalai Lama and Tibetan government in exile became bad to worse.
So what choice is left for us. WORLD COMMUNITY! Please tell us!

There is a time and a place for everything.

Using a sporting event to catapult exposure to suffering and bad politics into the public media is fundamentally wrong.

However, where do you draw the line? What alternative do they have? File a formal complaint? I think not.

They are utilizing an event that is watched and checked in on daily by millions worldwide as a platform to get a message out to people in regions who may be unaware of what is taking place. If they were to use any other method, would they reach as many viewers and readers? Most likely not. As with many topics, those who feel inconvenienced or refuse to hear or see truth in a message often tend to just stop reading or listening when confronted.

Sadly, although we all live on the same planet, too many people are incapable of helping and living in peace with their neighbors, let alone take care of themselves.

The acts of violence taking place on both sides is wrong, but the facts should be made publicly available on a world level, and efforts should be made to reach a compromise if not at least an understanding of the situation at hand.

I am surprised by the number and eloquence of the posts coming from the Chinese government. Too often the West underestimates the strength and fortitude of the Chinese government. I only wish it were possible to hear the true words of the average Chinese citizen who had not been brainwashed by the ultra-conservative media. Allow your country’s citizenry to see what is happening within its borders and even those which it deigns are its borders and decide for itself what is right and wrong. The Olympics effect only a small percentage of the population of China, but its propagation influences the world. Keep up the good work all of you protesters. Give everyone a chance to speak- even those whom we do not agree with!

this tibetan gentleman acts like a strip dancer. publicity is right, but publicity is right only when it dignifies. try to find the power in yourself, not in people’s noises., even though noise is sometimes to be considered power.

I’m one of the millions of common citizens living in Beijing.

Honestly before today I took little notice on what’s going on in the Olympics.

Honestly starting from now, I’ll do whatever I can to make the August Olympic a greatest success.

There you go, an open invite from Tsering. I hope many Chinese from Mainland will actually go, and it would be even better if they are willing to switch place with the Tibetans for a day, and see how they like being stuffed with ‘happiness’ per Chinese government version. And oh, if it doesn’t work out, the government will still tell the world that you are happy!

I am with you, Andrew Lee, a very ashamed Chinese.

I’m Chinese, but not a citizen of the PRC. I have been to China and as a Chinese person, I am proud of the progress that China has made these last 20 or 30 years. But it is clear to me that Tibet is a conquered nation, and the Tibetans are a subject people. They are not Han and if they were truly equal and felt themselves to be full citizens of China, they would not have protested in the violent way they did, and in such numbers. Citizens of China should recognise that respect must be earned; and that being respected is not the same as being feared. I find it hypocritical that Chinese citizens can be outraged what their government did to the protesters at Tiananmen in 1989 and yet support the same thing in Lhasa. It does them no credit. As a an ethnic Chinese, I so want China to prosper and become powerful, but if this is what China wants to stand for and to perpetuate in its name, then I would rather it does not.

Well done, those pro Tibet protests. You show the whole world what is “peaceful” meaning as Dalai Lama quoted.

I wonder where all these protesters were seven years ago, when we found out that China was going to host the Games. If the situation is so bad in Tibet, why wait seven years to protest?

China’s regime may not deserve the Games but chinese people do. Like British people deserve to host the 2012 Olympics, even though UK soldiers killed hundreds of people in Iraq.

It is about sport and only sport. It is not about politics. The torch is not a symbol of China (like I heard yesterday one activist saying) but a symbol of unity between nations. That is way there is a relay. Otherwise the flame would go from Athens straight to Beijing.

Hi, guys. when you said ‘human right’, are you mean the right for yourselves or the right should give to chinese? because your comments on us always make me confused. for example, your voice are often heard as Chinese fell proud of being a CHINESE! BUT when we are in trouble like natural disaster ( snow at the south of China this winter or bird flu), where were you? have you post a piece of old cloth to the ordinary chinese?

We should boycott the Olympic 2008 in China because of the Tibet crackdown recently. The Communist China has demonstrated its killing machine again since the Tineman square massacre. The athletes should also demonstrate their support to the boycott.

Well, with all the dramatic talk, where were YOU xbang? Do you honestly think your government would let just any Western organization come into your country even to help? Are you that naive?

Whoever says that the torch is not a symbol of China is kidding themselves. Whoever says that the Olympics are not politicized must have been living inside caves. Remember South Africa.

Remember, when China won the bid, it came with a promise: to improve its humans right. A promise that had been broken. Just this week alone, human right activist was arrested for WRITING why humans right is more important than the Olympics. He will spend the next 5 years of his life in jail.

As for the subject of just because I was born Chinese I should be proud of being one. I am proud of Chinese culture, but I am not proud of Chinese government. I have my rights to agree to disagree with you, xbang. Something Chinese in China should learn.

Why do people voice their opinions now? Because this is the right timing. 7 years ago, nobody would have heard their voices. Now it is. It’s time to be heard. Make your impact, let the Chinese government feel the heat, maybe by that, they will think twice before committing blatant premeditated murders to people they portray and deem as ‘evil’.

Andrew Lee and Siao bei, Please go home and tell your parents that you are ashamed to be a Chinese. I guess both of you are living aboard from mainland China, if China is not strong enough, they will not respect you as you want in the place where you live. I am wondering what is really going on in China? Have you ever been to China? What have you learned your story from? CNN? And If you are really ashamed to be a Chinese, then dont tell anyone! Tell them that you are white or anyother races, but please not Chinese. As I said, China is not perfect, altough China has made a great development in economy, its political system and its law system has not been developed as same speed as its economy. Every country has its own weakness, no country is perfect.

I am sorry Tsering, may we know what do you do? Are you a member of Tibet goverment in exile? How do you know that your goverment has sent six round delegations to China? Where did you get this information from? Who are the leadership of your goverment? Dalai Lama? Is he a real buddha or a goverment leader? You seemed brain washed by your goverment or your holliness Dalai lama.

I am a Chinse living in Germany, in Germany, the Media are holding same opinion against China , all oneside story. But one of the German writer has written an article on his blog, said he has sent so many articles to Newspaper agency, and other Media, which critisized German media view toward Tibet issue, but unfortunately no newspaper has adapted his artile, never has been published. He said, its free to make speech, but if they dont like your idea or opinion, its like zip your mouth. Its fake freedom.

I feel so exhausted talking about political issues. I wont comment anymore. I hope everyone has a great life and wish we have better world.

This is all about human right and religion freedom which China is VERY bad at. Shame on all Olympic organizers who blame the demonstrators on politic front. Again, this is not about politic, it is all about Human Rights and Religion Freedom.
It is time to stand up to force China to live up on their end.

A word “Olympic” which is a sign for peace and humanity. But you see the things whats going on is not good. In London, they tried to disrupt and continued in paris. This is not good, what is happening…! At the same time we also need to think why?

Since WW2The world has changed and established lots of organisations in the world to make the world better and peace.
Although after 60 yrs what had happened….Developed countries do not take action to those countries where there are stll forceful oppression to the people and no freedom. Salute to those everyone in the world (tibetans and non tibetans) who see the difference that the things what going on in Tibet is not right and tibetans have right to speak and their freedon.

China blame Japan till today what they have done in the past and they have done the same thing in Tibet.

Every human beings have the right to speak and deserve freedom.
PEACE AND FREEDOM IN THE WORLD
ONE WORLD AND HUMANS

to mr. unabashed,
if there is government agent or any those who are bought by any political parities or regimes, the sentiments here have gone certainly already far beyond any ambitious politics. let me ask for which party are you posting your opinions?
this is now the polygraph: those who are claiming pros or antis have actually marked themselves with the tatoo of a certain ideological color already–which is shame!
i am one who was with the democratic loving junes the fourth students in tiananmen square, and i used to cry for democracy to come a minuet sooner to china, and felt proud then for bbc and other voices which then cried out for justice;
but now i am ashamed and disappointed as to the degree this farce of hatred and bias has come.
for if you looked at the reports by on-spot western witnesses, none has yet described the blood shed as by the monks and the “peaceful” protestors are always mumbling: is there any such story? with precious pictures without the fooling and offhand unprofessional montage and cropping? like we have seen in 1989 from tiananmen square?
no one here would say anything in love of a dying and metamorphasizing corrupted totalitarian regime, if he/she does stands for true spirit of democracy; but the hyterical show of shameless distortion of history and truth, and the spirit of democracy; this is only offputting the common sense and yielding power to the wrong one, the politicians who may die down or step down a day earlier, now revived in the chaotic noises;
for democracy is and must be the respect of choice by the people.
when thousands of students went on hunger strike, and knelt before the rulers, appealing for democracy; when the people do push for a just cause, it will happen and it shall happen in time. such we have not seen in this much publicised show, but only popular actors and actresses of all kinds.
noble prize and government, even house or congress titles cannot patch up for shallowness of understanding, and sinister ambition to play with people’s sentiments.

I WISH I WASN’T A CHINESE. i learnt the truth once i came to london to study at a university. everything i learnt in china was a lie. the government controlled everyhting and just showed us what they wanted to. now i get to see all sides and have learned that that our CORRUPTED CHINESE COMMUNIST government is all a sham, a ruthless bunch of liars!

I AM ASHAMED TO BE A CHINESE. I AM ASHAMED THAT THE WORLD HATES US. AND I WILL NEVER GO BACK TO CHINA!

to jason and his friends:
please stop taking a lordly position and judge with just a few samples your limited experiences may have to supply you.
that all chinese are brainwashed and are simplistic as you have told.
you have indeed abandoned the very element the idea of democracy shall always advocate: judge by the majority. if you are not so lucky as to know the majority, what they think and how they react then before you have to pew out your mothful, first make a study from a historical perspective with more concrete data.
and please also make a clear demarcation between CCP and China: bearing in mind that you are talking about a population many times your own nation, and that a progressing civilization far older than yours, older but for which only it may not justify for respect–yet more careful data for you to support your hasty judgement.

to mr. huang RX,
so what is the number you found that can show the violence is a justfied show?
killing people, powerless young kids and women?
all shows of non-violent peaceful outcry for equality?

who is more hypocritical when you can remain silent when a sovereign nation can be subdued and its figure head hanged because of its strategic control of oil supply, while slavery feudal regime should be reinstated and its former half king half monk should be rewarded the nobel, and for peace?
will you tell me the logic behind all these?

please let i beg for pictures by some brave monks or peaceful monk lovers showing bodies cut down by the violent CCP forces as many as are shown in documentaries by CCPs, not to give them credit, but just to clearify the blurs–let us tell who is more violent first!
a true buddhist patriotic should do as what the Indian lawyer Ghandi has shown the world: not the killing on one hand and clowning for sympathy on the other.

I would like to remind the reader the formulation of the Olympics charter:

“Olympism is a philosophy of life, exalting and combining in a balanced whole the qualities of body, will and mind. Blending sport with culture and education, Olympism seeks to create a way of life based on the joy found in effort, the educational value of good example and respect for universal fundamental ethical principles.”

Those who believe politics and sport should not be mixed, should ask themselves how the Chinese government can organize an event based on the respect of universal ethical principles and at the same time drag the very same principles in the mud.
Hypocrisy holds sway in China, like in many other countries. All these countries should have the decency to avoid hosting the Olympic Games.

to mr. andrew lee the not naive,
sorry the mr. not naive i have not given the due respect by capitalizing title; to your claim:
“If Tibet is as happy as China has assured the world, why not let the free press roam in and document these Chinese “improvements” and “gifts” to the Tibetan culture? If that were true, trust me, everyone would shut up and give the respect China has earned.”
has the world media roamed in with the combined forces when the wars in iraq and the continent were faught? did you see ALL the world’s media, my dear ethnic chinese friend?
have you cared as much as come down to Lhasa and visit now? why all of you are so hasty in making your mouthful rather than brainful know before it is well discretioned?

I feel very sorry for the average chinese person perhaps even more than the people that the chinese communist party have killed physically. The communist party has incited hatred against anyone who would defend their lives against its savagry. It fills their heads with nonsence and takes no reponsibility for its evil doing. It has filled their hearts with hate and their heads with confusion. It blacks out the media in China when anything happens until it can fabricate something to film to make it look as though china has another enemy to fight so as to cover its crimes. it will always write its own history to make it appear as if it is correct. And if anyone disagrees with it, it will kill them. Mao is responsible for the deaths of 80 million inocent chinese citizens during the cultural revolution. Communism has quite a history of killing and propaganda usage to glorify itself. The communist party has used the olypics as a political tool to try to eliminate its imagined enemies. If you kill enough people, the whole world will be against you.

This whole issue smacks of hypocricy….In Montreal in 1976 100’s of low income families were “relocated” to make room for the Olympic village, they were never allowed home again. Sounds pretty benign compared to Tibet I agree. My point is, is that every single city that has ever hosted the Olympics have, displaced “unsavory” people, cut city funding for low income projects to pay for the “honor” of hosting the Olympics, left crushing debt for the host cities tax payers to deal with for generations, and olympic buildings that no longer serve their original purpose but are incredibly expensive to maintain. While in some rare instances the Olympics actually made money for the host city wether that money ever made an impact on social spending is questionable.The Olympic committee did indeed boycott South African athletes because of Apartheid and yet look the other way when it comes to China. Truthfully, what witrh the corporate sponsors saturating the visual of the games and the Olympians and the huge cost of seeing any event that is on the schedule, the true spirit of the Olympic games ceased being about “just sports” a very long time ago. It is a corrupted, politically and finacially motivated event now that is about many things none of them being sports.

weel, here we go again…many facets here. I do think all people in this one world must stand up and be counted -our lives are circumscribed by things facing us in our everyday life. China must spend much time laughing at us- our lack of governmental oversight, our buiness ethic of who cares, the various media that play to our moral lethargy- toy makers who pollute our children- oil money that could care less- and the spotlight seekers who capitalize on such things as the olympic torch.
We live and work on different values and they differ for reasons that don’t stand scrutiny; which is exactly why it’s done. Brief spotlight on an issue isn’t to reflect the component parts, but to sensationalize an event.
So, who’s kidding who? And who is the bad guy?
If China is the bad guy, why do we continue to let the toxic practices continue unless we get something out of it?
And if the “news” is an entertainment tool, let’s call it that. If the news has an agenda, why not say so. Of course that is not a role that we like to acknowledge. But you know, we hear/see things but what does this mean.
I think China is awful to it’s people as well as the world. True equality at last! Like the song- to effect change from bad, it really does start with the man in the mirror. It’s not such a wonderful world and our tacit acceptance is shameful.

“a true buddhist patriotic should do as what the Indian lawyer Ghandi has shown the world: not the killing on one hand and clowning for sympathy on the other.”…. Well, that rules out your current rulers by their actions, dear Mr. Tao.

I have been to PRC many times the last few years, unlike what you think. We are of course not going to be allowed in there now, for obvious reasons even if we want to see it for ourselves. Thus, the question? If your government wants the world to understand its action, to play civil, why make it so hard? Why hide so many things? Why push journalists out? In Iraq at least, in the US, UK, all over the world, we could see both sides of the story, including the uglies by BOTH sides. That’s what makes the difference to China, a giant country so insecure it has to hide all its sins.

Hu Jia should never have been jailed, he should have been let to say what he wants to say even in Tiananmen Square, that will be the real meaning of democracy, Tao.

Van: “And If you are really ashamed to be a Chinese, then dont tell anyone! Tell them that you are white or anyother races, but please not Chinese.” It’s funny but you proved my point perfectly. Why the obsesion with national conformity? Why do I have to think the same as you and go so far as to denounce my race just because you don’t like what I have to hear? I am not going to bother replying to a hotheaded Chinese who can’t understand that another Chinese will have different thinking from him, yet still remains a Chinese.

I was in London to support China Olympic. There are at least 3000 Chinese waving flags supporting China and only a few hundreds Free Tibetans all of whom are White British and none of them are Tibetans. I really doubt how many of them have been to China or Tibet themselves and how much they get paid from the Dalai Lama for trying to separate our country.

Premier Brown, please show us some evidence of “violence” before talking about China’s Violent Handling of the Tibet Unrest.

So far, all the violence we have seen are from the rioters and the “Free Tibet” protesters.

I can’t believe that as a country leader, you only get information from BBC.

I am so proud to live in a country (America) where all of these opposing views can be expressed without ferar.

Posters complaining about the politicisation of the Olympics are deliberately ignoring the fact that they have been used as a political tool ever since the 1936, when they were hosted by Nazi Germany. Numerous games have been boycotted or used as a stage for protests ever since. This is nothing new and it criticism of the Tibetan sympathisers on this basis is naive and unhelpful.

The Olympic games were awarded to China on the basis that press freedom and human rights in the country would be improved. This has not happened, events in Tibet are therefore NOT an internal affair but an issue that should be of great concern to all participating countries.

Furthermore it is deeply hypocritical to level attacks at the Western coverage of events in Tibet and Xinjiang when reporters are not allowed into those regions. Global news agencies cover news across the globe, if they are prohibited from reporting within an area they are going to have to rely on secondary sources that may have a bias. If the Chinese people want fairer treatment they should demand press freedom within their own country, access to primary sources for both their own and the international press, and freedom from persecution if they or others voice views that are contrary to the opinions of the authorities.

Very interesting place to talk. I like it.aha

TO NO-ONE and somebody else:
I really shame on your parents!!! - if you are a Chinese.

To Tsering Samdup and those people who don’t really know the facts of Tibet, please check this URL as below. It may help you know more about Tibet:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x9QNKB34cJo

To people who hate Chinese: I won’t say anything but remember, you will be hated either.

To people against Beijing Olympic:

I’ve been living in Toronto for a long time. I was born in 60’s and our family was suffered in Cultural Revolution in China. I was one of demonstrators in Tiananmen square in 1989. I maybe disagree with CPP but I have to admit China has made a big progress in everywhere. We cannot expect China has perfect human rights in one night but we should see the light of dawn. I look forward to seeing there is a democratic system and government in China some days.

I am a Canadian and I am always PROUD of I am a Chinese.

Save your breath! Don’t be jealous of China is going to host Olympic. China deserves that. Open your eyes widely: where is with the biggest changes on this planet in past 20 years? - China!

Like the title of this post: long road back to China. It’s really long and tough, but the Olympic torch will be arriving in Bejing on August 8, 2008. NOONE could stop it, really!

As a thousands millions Chinese in mainland China or oversea, if you guys are against Beijing Olympic, you will be considered to be against all Chinese!!!

Mr. Bei,
first, the current rulers in china are not confessedly buddhists; i know them better than you do, mr. bei.
still i would like people to reflect whether there should have been the journalists from any of THESE nations– which the us and its entourage considered as ideologically offensive–allowed to roam in when the war was faught in iraq?
even so, let us also reflect how such gossips really worked?
a giant country may certainly attract people’s attention, but do you really believe farces like the pro monks put up really would come for the benefits of their people?
the peaceful monk himself used to fawn on the CCP and Mao, all recorded with documentaries and books, and even poetries, which was written by himself, and which you may not have been benefitting from those FREE media to share a glimpse at: such clownings may have well won the heart of some shallow western politicians or some very hotheaded prize committees. but all need to be considered with a more open minded perspective.
people shall tell whether the moaning is out of sufferings from real ailment, or just some faked political highs, before they join all too hastily for a cure.
again, back to the historical event of the exile of this glorious monk, all so popular with some western audience, he went in exile because his regime of slavery and dictatorship was in conflict with another one, but only too powerful and coercing; for his people? give me a break!

also, please let mr. bei and his pro monk parties understand,
my opinion comes from no sympathy for any dictatorship and shameless oppression of the people;
my opinion is why we should denounce one dictator and corrupted regime in favor of another.
in german, they say first weigh, then act.
this is all too true. for your reference, mr. bei and lee and all those friends so caring about chinese and all related affairs therewith;
becuz you showed that much enthusiasm, i believe i should contribute just as much.
as for the CCP as confounded as “your ruler,” though it is quite spiteful as it was meant to be, i did not take it as anything but a self contradiction when mr bei claims “Why do I have to think the same as you and go so far as to denounce my race just because you don’t like what I have to hear?”
he answered the question yourself, and well said.
again, china is a vast nation, and if there is any sincerety in the responses to the march 14th sensation, please take a more comprehensive look at the people and the history they were able to create.
yes, i agree hot-headed responses are not worthy of bothering with. i am only talking to people who are sincerely caring about china, and concerned as much as i do.

Genocide????

50 years ago, the tibetan population was 1.2 million, now is 2.6 million! How many of you know the one child policy doesn’t apply to any minority ethnics as Tibetan in china but just majority ethnic of Han, which means tibetans can have as many kids as they want but majority ethnic of HAN chinese can just have one child per family?!

In Tibet now, over 90% are Tibetan, only 8% are Han chinese a little over 1% are muslim, Han is gonna genocide Tibetan? !!!

Don’t be too CNN, man…

first there was no tibet men, who took agression or violence against no body, not one tibet men has taken the games for to propagand their desires and pressures under china -
excuse me broken english

supporting tibet free men
michael from germany

My years in China taught me that Chinese people are warm, VERY friendly, caring and aware of many of the problems in their country. Those of you who are slamming “the Chinese” should remember that there is a HUGE difference between the government and the people of a country. (as an American I feel that that is a VERY important point to remember)

But Let’s cut through the crap. If America is wrong to be in Iraq. (And I believe that we are) then China is wrong to be in Tibet. (Please don’t give that tired old crap about Tibet having been a part of China long ago. It was a sovereign nation when Mao decided to steal it from the people who live there)

The fact is that no Chinese person will look at it this way because they have too much faith in their race. It is a racial issue because most Chinese who were raised in China refuse to believe that ethnic Chinese have ever done anything that was wrong. It runs against everything that the Chinese people have been taught to believe about themselves.

After all, it’s against Olympics spirit to involve politics in the game. Olympics is about freedom for equal competition. If you ask any ordinary Chinese (who recognize themselves as Chinese), you will know their sincere way of welcoming people from other countries.

i admire jason for his incisiveness in the expression of his view.
yes, tibet has been taken for part of china by almost all chinese, on which i can bet. even the founder of the incumbent twain government party, dr. sun yet-sen used to confesse, that china is a big family, which embraces all the 5 big races, with tibetans among them.
i say this not to give myself any chance for complacency.
tibet is chinese, as you explained, “stolen” by Mao; and was chinese, which you did not illustrate, because the first monk ruler sought protection and became officially, without any cowboy offensives on the chinese part, part of the Ming Dynasty, of the Middle Kingdom.
ask the monk himself, does he think he will become a president of tibet?
if you followed the events, you will know the answer point blank.

Someone asked why the Dalai Lama should be called a brutal regime. Here is why. The paragraphs are talking about the recent history unless the article reaches “No Shangri-La: More on Old Tibet can be found here.”

The Dalai Lama may be universally admired; but he is poorly advised. His condemnation of China for alleged “cultural genocide” strengthens China’s depiction of him as a separatist, ethnic leader bent on splitting his homeland from China.

China is an incredibly vast, multiethnic, multicultural country. It will never relinquish its right to modernize and develop Tibet, which was a feudal theocracy (actually admired by Hitler and his Nazi henchmen for its swastika and brutality) before China liberated the Tibetan people from serfdom in 1951. No outside powers (not even occult-obsessed Nazi Germany, which sent emissaries to Tibet) have ever recognized it as a sovereign state. Without China, the Dalai Lama, who fled into exile in 1959 after a failed uprising against China, would most likely still be Tibet’s absolute ruler, and illiteracy, ignorance, and crushing poverty would still prevail there.

The Nobel Peace Prize winner, incidentally, has never satisfactorily apologized for the fact that monk-exploited, endlessly taxed Tibetans had no human rights before China intervened in Tibet’s affairs. Nor has he apologized for his life-long friendship with at least two notorious Nazis, including a major SS figure, Dr. Bruno Berger (whose photo with the Dalai Lama appears below), and shocking acceptance of a substantial donation (45 million rupees, or about 170 million yen) from Shoko Asahara, the leader of the Supreme Truth cult, which subsequently attacked the Tokyo Subway system with sarin nerve gas. A photo of the Dalai Lama and the psychotic cult leader appears above. The Dalai Lama also seems to have maintained a friendly relationship with the Chilean Nazi mystic, Miguel Serrano, whose photo appears below the Berger image.

For most Buddhists, apology is a central teaching. One would also expect the Dalai Lama to apologize for–and unequivocally denounce–the recent, un-Buddhist-like Tibetan riot that targeted innocent Chinese civilians and businesses for destruction.

With the above in mind, a recent essay by Brendan O’Neill, editor of Spiked, is a must-read. A sharp critic of China’s Communist Party (which he mistakenly calls “Stalinist”), O’Neill writes:

In many ways, campaigners and commentators in the West are projecting their own disgust with ‘the Western way of life’ on to China. They see in China everything that they doubt or loathe about modernity itself. That is why commentators frequently tell China not to make ‘the same mistakes that we made’. On everything from economic growth to sporting competitiveness, from the use of coal to the building of skyscrapers, today’s China-bashing is motivated by Western self-loathing, as well as by spite and envy towards the seemingly successful Chinese. Ironically, this means that China is now seen as ‘the Other’ precisely because it appears too Western: it is China’s ambition, growth, its leaps forward - things that a more confident West might once have celebrated - which make it seem alien to Western observers who today prefer carbon-counting to factory-building and road tolls to road construction. China-bashing is underpinned by a crisis of belief in the West in things such as progress, growth, development.

It is the sweeping consensus that China is dangerous and diseased that has attracted Western observers to the issue of Tibet. Both left and right elements in the West are exploiting the Tibet issue as a way of putting pressure on China. They are less interested in securing real freedom and equality for Tibetans, and for the Chinese people more broadly, than they are in using and abusing internal disgruntlement in China and nearby territories as a way of humiliating the Chinese government. That is why Tibetans can symbolise different things to different people. For conservative commentators, the Tibetans are warriors for freedom against a Stalinist monolith; their protests are a replay of the Velvet Revolution in Czechoslovakia in 1989. For greener, more liberal campaigners, Tibetans are symbols of natural and mystical purity in contrast to rampant Western and Chinese consumerism. As one author puts it, Tibetan culture offers ‘powerful, untarnished and coherent alternatives to Western egotistical lifestyles [and] our gradually more pointless pursuit of material interests’. Various political factions in the West are using Tibetans as ventriloquist dummies in order to mouth their own complaints against modern China. They are promoting Tibetan unrest not to liberate Tibetans but in the hope that the protests will represent their own personal disgust for China in a real-world, physical manner.

There is a long history of Western politicians and activists using Tibet as a stick with which to beat China. In his fascinating book Prisoners of Shangri-La: Tibetan Buddhism and the West, Donald S Lopez Jnr shows how, in the Western imagination, ‘the invasion of Tibet by [China] was and still is represented as an undifferentiated mass of godless Communists overrunning a peaceful land devoted only to ethereal pursuits… Tibet embodies the spiritual and the ancient, China the material and the modern. Tibetans are superhuman, Chinese are subhuman.’ Today, too, pro-Tibetan activism often disguises a view of the Chinese as subhuman. Indeed, in the current, all-encompassing right/left consensus about China, even left-leaning campaigns can employ old right tactics of demonising the Chinese. A poster for the trendy campaign group Free Tibet shows Tibetans as serene and peaceful and the Chinese as smog-producing modernisers with distinctly slitty eyes and goofy teeth.

The Washington-Hollywood embrace of the Dalai Lama fuels Chinese nationalism and refocuses attention on his well documented role as a recipient of CIA funding. During the Cold War, the US intelligence agency spent tens of millions of dollars on pro-Dalai Lama Tibetan guerrillas, set up a training camp for Tibetan fighters in the Rocky Mountains of Colorado, helped the Dalai Lama to escape to India after the failed armed insurrection of 1959, and established Tibet cultural centers in New York and Geneva to keep alive the dream of an independent Tibet. The CIA also paid the Dalai Lama a personal stipend of $180,000 a year. The Nixon administration ended CIA support for the Tibetan movement while maintaining the spiritual leader’s direct subsidy. In recent years, he has criticized the US for supporting Tibet in those days for narrow political reasons; he has also argued against US retaliation against Al Qaeda and radical Islam for the 9/11 attacks.

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No Shangri-La: More on Old Tibet can be found here.

In feudal Tibet, torture and mutilation–including eye gouging, the pulling out of tongues, hamstringing, and amputation–were favored punishments inflicted upon thieves, and runaway or resistant serfs. Journeying through Tibet in the 1960s, Stuart and Roma Gelder interviewed a former serf, Tsereh Wang Tuei, who had stolen two sheep belonging to a monastery. For this he had both his eyes gouged out and his hand mutilated beyond use. He explains that he no longer is a Buddhist: “When a holy lama told them to blind me I thought there was no good in religion.”21 Since it was against Buddhist teachings to take human life, some offenders were severely lashed and then “left to God” in the freezing night to die. “The parallels between Tibet and medieval Europe are striking,” concludes Tom Grunfeld in his book on Tibet.

In 1959, Anna Louise Strong visited an exhibition of torture equipment that had been used by the Tibetan overlords. There were handcuffs of all sizes, including small ones for children, and instruments for cutting off noses and ears, gouging out eyes, breaking off hands, and hamstringing legs. There were hot brands, whips, and special implements for disemboweling. The exhibition presented photographs and testimonies of victims who had been blinded or crippled or suffered amputations for thievery. There was the shepherd whose master owed him a reimbursement in yuan and wheat but refused to pay. So he took one of the master’s cows; for this he had his hands severed. Another herdsman, who opposed having his wife taken from him by his lord, had his hands broken off. There were pictures of Communist activists with noses and upper lips cut off, and a woman who was raped and then had her nose sliced away.

Earlier visitors to Tibet commented on the theocratic despotism. In 1895, an Englishman, Dr. A. L. Waddell, wrote that the populace was under the “intolerable tyranny of monks” and the devil superstitions they had fashioned to terrorize the people. In 1904 Perceval Landon described the Dalai Lama’s rule as “an engine of oppression.” At about that time, another English traveler, Captain W.F.T. O’Connor, observed that “the great landowners and the priests… exercise each in their own dominion a despotic power from which there is no appeal,” while the people are “oppressed by the most monstrous growth of monasticism and priest-craft.” Tibetan rulers “invented degrading legends and stimulated a spirit of superstition” among the common people. In 1937, another visitor, Spencer Chapman, wrote, “The Lamaist monk does not spend his time in ministering to the people or educating them. . . . The beggar beside the road is nothing to the monk. Knowledge is the jealously guarded prerogative of the monasteries and is used to increase their influence and wealth.”24 As much as we might wish otherwise, feudal theocratic Tibet was a far cry from the romanticized Shangri La so enthusiastically nurtured by Buddhism’s western proselytes.

“While I symphatize with the Tibetans’ cause, I strongly feel it is wrong to politicize the Olympics. By disrupting the relay, at least it seems to me, protesters are undermining the meaning and tradition of the Olympic games. I wish for safety for the runners and hope the torch reaches Beijing on time.”

I can only agree with the above post… the entire point of the Olympics is being ignored with these protests. The Olympics were meant to be a peaceful celebration of sport between athletes of all nations — even enemy nations. I think that the appropriate time to protest was when the committee was making a choice about where to hold the event in the first place… but now, it’s supposed to be about the atheletes, — those who have devoted themselves to their sport. Let them compete in peace.

to david,
with a bibliography, yours is a historical paper.
history serves as precepts, the mirrors for the present. hope we talk through mind not emotions, nor hot headed hatred.
this is almost buddhist mentality.
i may well also read histories of some first nations in the western world, but i am too tired to dig these up.
hoping though they know much, p’haps more, themselves about their own history.
as human beings, though historically we are contextualized in different stages of developement, i believe there is communalities there.

The paragraphs before “No Shangri-La” talk about the events not too long ago.

Without China, the Dalai Lama, who fled into exile in 1959 after a failed uprising against China, would most likely still be Tibet’s absolute ruler, and illiteracy, ignorance, and crushing poverty would still prevail there.

The Nobel Peace Prize winner, incidentally, has never satisfactorily apologized for the fact that monk-exploited, endlessly taxed Tibetans had no human rights before China intervened in Tibet’s affairs.

Dalai Lama has shockingly accepted a substantial donation (45 million rupees, or about 170 million yen) from Shoko Asahara, the leader of the Supreme Truth cult, which subsequently attacked the Tokyo Subway system with sarin nerve gas.

I am surprised and very angry to see the unfair report by the so-called free,democratice western world media. It is very clear that the Tibetans used violence such as burning and killing to express their resentment on March, 14,2008 in Lahsa, the capital of Tibet.

If we are not blind, we should understand what happend in Tibet through those pictures and video taken there and shown on the internet. Unfortunately, most western media, condemed Chinese government cracking down peaceful protesters in Tibet. How ridiculous it is!

When we were in China, we naively believed how fair and just the western media were, actually not, it is the same almost everywhere, prejudice exist everywhere. How disappointed we are! If there is really a God in the world, he should say something fair and just to the world, telling the truth without bias. There are prolems in Chinese government, which should be blamed. But the tragedy happend in Tibet recently on Mar.14,2008, was some Tibetans using violence such as burning and killing. Be fair and just in reporting!

Shame on those pro-Tibetan demonstrators! You guys didn’t respect Oliympic and didn’t respect all people in the world who love peace!

Shame on the sterotype in the western medium.

I think we can not be cheated by the medium, we should see China by our own eyes

Dalai Lama, shame on you. can you appeal you people to stop grabbling or extinguishing the torch and let it go back to Beijing?

As a Chinese American living in the United States, I not only feel pride that the Olympics are going to be held in China, but also feel pride because of my Chinese Heritage. The recent violent riots and protest seem to me, as to many other Chinese, as immature and contradictory to the cause of democracy or peace as condoned by many western democracies. I think many westerners don’t understand that you can’t expect a China (like a adolescent trying to grow into a adult) to be able to act suddenly like a adult, or else face severe consequences (boycott, international condemnation, etc). China obviously wouldn’t know how to act. If your asking for China to “free tibet” that would be out of the question. No matter how hard someone protests in the streets of Europe, China would never let go of Tibet if it could hold on to it. No sovereign country strong enough to hold on to its own territory would let go of their soil. Thats a matter of a fact. As for the Olympics, its a matter of national pride for 1.3 Chinese people. I’ve heard recently in the news, protestors have chanted “Down with the Chinese”, I wonder why CNN or any other western media outlets have not come to condone such hateful gestures. Why have none of the western media called for a end to ethnic violence? The news is biased and I would like to see a change. There’s always another side of the story.

The tibetens burned schools, hospitals,banks and masques. I don’t think there is any justification for doing that. I am all for protesting the government. I did a few times myself. But when the tibiten protesters start killing average han-chinese and muslims, I say that is cross the line. By the way, for all the people who against what the chinese government did last month, what do you think they should do?

Has anyone else noticed how terrible the English is on the pro-beijing entries? I wouldn’t be surprised if the CCP has hired people to spread their propaganda on CNN blogs. There is one simple question that I haven’t heard any of them answer–if there is true religious freedom in Tibet, why do Tibetans risk their lives everyday to flee their homeland?

CCP’s blind supporters remind me of the Nazis.
They blame the weak(tibetan, uyghur) as the Nazis did.
They blame other countries as the Nazis did.
They show blind loyalty to CCP as the Nazis did to Hitler.
And CCP takes advantage of Olympic to rationalize their policy as Hitler did. (for example, the completion of distorting tibet(uyghur)’s history. CCP constantly insists that tibet was always a part of china. but in fact tibet had never been ruled by china(chinese) before 1950’s invasion.)

If they are genuine patriots, they should l