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March 18, 2008
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BEIJING, China – It had to happen … sooner or later they were going to find us and stop us. This morning they did. .. Chinese police, armed with those almost toy gun-looking small caliber machine guns pulled us over, asked for passports, and told us this was the end of the road.

We were still 300 kilometers from Ngawa county in Sichuan province, where Tibetan exile groups claim Chinese security forces have killed more than 30 protesters — including monks, women and children.

I was amazed we had made this far. Far enough to see the trucks filled with heavily armed PLA soldiers heading north to Ngawa, far enough to see military helicopters in the sky. … Memorable because after a year and a half of traveling extensively throughout this country I cannot recall ever seeing a helicopter. Tibetan exile groups say hundreds of troops were flown into Ngawa by helicopter.

There’s no way to find out if any of these claims by Tibetan groups are true and it seems the Chinese authorities are determined to keep it that way.

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Paul Weber   March 18th, 2008 627 GMT

Damn them, may the chinese leaders burn all in hell.
But damn “us” in the west too, for we have given the chinese gov’t ample room for maneuvre - opening our markets to their cheap/shoddy/dangerous goods, filling their wallets with our financial resources, granting them WTO standing and generally letting them get along with their bloody habits.

I grieve for the tibetan people and I wish I could really lend a helping hand in what looks like a hopeless, heroic, stoic fight.

Yak   March 18th, 2008 702 GMT

“Tibetan exile groups claim Chinese security forces have killed more than 30 protesters — including monks, women and children”
bullshit from idiots, please try to find out how many young military policemen(about 18 years old) were wounded in this turbulence, cause the Chinese government asked: no strike back.

Ben Bollich   March 18th, 2008 708 GMT

Dear readers,

This is so unfortunate. After living in China for one yeear (north and south) I’m not surprised by all the horror stories which have been covered. My wife and I also had an experience when we were denied our teaching saleries by the goverenment for three months. We protested and attempted to leave. Later we were detained, threatened, and forced to write false accounts about our experience in China in order to get our passports back. 72 hours later we were deported from the country.

It’s very plain and simple in regards to truth. The Dali Lama is a man who stands for campassion, love, and intergrity while the Chinese Communist are masterminds of creating facads in their own country.

I feel extremely sorry for the Chinese people and that they are ruled by such a cruel government. Unfortunately the west will continue to support this government in the name of the almighty dollar.

Do the right thing and boycott the Olympics!!!

Long live TIBET!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Sincerely,

Ben Bollich

Raul   March 18th, 2008 1115 GMT

My friends…
250 years ago, when Britian took it upon themselves to take over half of asia, their was no action taken. Today it is frowned upon.
40 years ago, when North America went into Vietnam, their was no action taken. Today it is frowned upon.
5 years ago, when North America went into Iraq and Afganistan, no action was taken. Today it is frowned.

PLEASE, dont make history here of what I feel is one of the last remaining pure mass religions right in their heartland . Let us not frown on this situation a year from now when ALL of the world can get together and push for peace.

These people are not allowed to hurt a fly, is it fair to come at them with tanks?

Please

Raul
Brasil

SONG   March 18th, 2008 1334 GMT

John Vause, You are totally biased.

Tibet Rioters are Terrorist ! Please go to Youtube and find out how the Tibet Rioters are killing Chinese civilians.

Lhundup   March 18th, 2008 1343 GMT

Dear readers,

On behalf of my fellow brothers in Tibet, I request your support for us. China is lying and killing Tibetans in Tibet. The world knows that HH the Dalai Lama is a man of peace and compassion, he never instigate violence, but when the Chinese premier Wen Jobai said HH the Dalai Lama did world except Chinese in China knows that Wen is lying. Free information is restricted in China and Chinese. Chinese government have been oppressing Tibetans for more than 50 years. Just put yourself in Tibetans’ shoes and think.

Show your compassion for helpless Tibetan people.

Wy   March 18th, 2008 1706 GMT

Stop lying!

who benefit from international trading most? chinese is not the biggest winner. about 1/10 of trading profit profit retains within china. rest goes to U.S. The fool chinese sacrifies their environment and nature resource to gain the 1/10 profit in international trading.
If china doesn’t provide cheap stuff. others will do, cause the american need. you can not blame china.

dalai lama was well prepared for this protest. he jumpped out immediately after conflict happened with prepared speach. cultual genocide? you were in a slavery society, you want to retain your privilege?

free information is restricted in china, information can not go in or out freely, but that doesn’t mean you can fool around here.

Roger Sune   March 18th, 2008 1751 GMT

It’s very funny to read these posts.

Who cares what you are saying? Yourself, your own partners.

I don’t care. China doesn’t care. Chinese government doesn’t care. Chinese people don’t care. That’s our Chinese affair, not your business.

Think about Korean War, Viet Nam War. and the upcoming Taiwan War. You want another Tibet War? Dare you?

Elke, Germany   March 18th, 2008 2030 GMT

Hi John,
as you said: it had to happen. Since the violence broke out, I read the “China Daily (Xinhua)” in the internet every day. It´s interesting to compare the reports of the “western” media with the China Daily. Alone the Chinese government or media react to the Dalai Lama: “Dalai´s”rule of terror” or “the Dalai clique..” and so on.
In the end I think, the Chinese government will do it in their own way, block off the region, send in troops and do what they think have to be done. it´s really bad, because there is no way to find out th truth.
To be honest, I hope, there will be some clashes during the Olympics, because they can´t block off Beijing during the games.
The Tibetan people need some help and support from outside. It´s diappointing to me, that our governments have only some soft comments, no real action. Because of the business or economy?
I wonder, if this violence will be all, or is there more to come?
I liked your last reports, very interesting. Go on.
Elke

Vic   March 18th, 2008 2039 GMT

China invaded Tibet in 1950s by Mao, claimed its sovereignty over Tibet. Before 1950 Tibet was a country with its own history. Now China claims this territory belong to China. Does it make sense? And the world just keep quiet. Lying China, lying communist. Free Tibet ! There is no human right in China. China is really really a danger for the peace of whole world. Just wait and see until China is strong enough and your country wil be Tibet.

Yang   March 18th, 2008 2058 GMT

itz what itz. As a country, China can handle everything by government, and dont need other countries ” help”.

James   March 18th, 2008 2108 GMT

i feel sorry for people who dont even know true and still talk a lot.
If u wanna know China, go to China and live here for awhile. u will know what China looks like. dont believe everything u heard easly, which is so true.

Teresa   March 18th, 2008 2150 GMT

I don’t get it…so not action should be taken when Tibetan rioters are burning houses to the ground, overturning cars, beating people black and blue, and disrupting everything? Arresting them and quelling the riot seems like a logical and normal thing to do. The US would do the same should such unrest happen here. Why is this rousing so much negative sentiment?

The US has invaded more than its share, so don’t try all this American we-are-good-you-are-bad self righteousness. Not to mention Tibet had been in China for centuries and centuries, until the Western powers invaded during the Qing Dynasty and China lost control of that territory. Most of Tibet’s population had been slaves before the People’s Liberation Army went in and freed them. And guess who the slaveowners were? THE LAMAS! Yes, the monastaries owned the land with slaves working them! The monks OWNED SLAVES! No wonder the Dalai Lama wants Tibet back, ha!

Please, read history before judging!

Jason Zhang   March 18th, 2008 2230 GMT

First, I have make it clear that I am 100% Chinese and I fully support any decisions / actions of theTibetan people as pertain to their indepenence. I am disgusted by the actions of the Chinese government in their treatment of my Tibetan neighbors whom I consider cousins. However, I also condemn unjust violence towards my Chinese brothers and sisters.

Having lived in the U.S., I deal with it everyday and I know to a much lesser degree of how it feels to be view as second class citizen, to be view as different and treated differently. Now to live in your own country and treated this way must be a hundred time worst.

At no point am I shock by the actions of the Chinese government. Basic freedoms of speech and religion have been all but abolished in China until recently. During the cultural revolution, my grandparents land and property were seized and my father force to reformation work camps where estimated millions had died and suffered.

I believed a majority of the Chinese community is in full support of the Tibet. Wheather Tibet wishes to annex or be separate from China should absolutely be the decision of its own people. I believe we have to within all our power to avoid another tragedy such that which bestowed upon Native Indian; on this very land in which Americans reside on.

In order to have kind of success / progress to be made in Tibet; we need the support from everyone. To start off, the UN have to sanction the Chinese Communist Government for their treatment of Tibetans. I was born and lived the first decade of my life in China. China have a very strong hold on the media and most people in China are unaware of any “negative” news happening elsewhere outside their own regions.

I am interested in hearing from all on how we can resolve this. Feel free to write to me at jayzhangpronto@yahoo.com.

FREE TIBET !!!

tashi   March 19th, 2008 101 GMT

the person SONG is a part of CCP and thus even can’t expose himself. You can imagine the brutality of CCP when they sent tanks & army to crush the pro-democracy Chinese in Tianamen Square -they won’t hesitate to shoot down Tibetans at all.

TRUTH WILL PREVAIL!

bhat   March 19th, 2008 320 GMT

If China had nothing to hide, why does it not let world media into Tibet? The gobbling up of Tibet is one of the untold stories of the last century.
Certainly there shd be a boycott of the opening ceremonyof the Olympics.

Peace   March 19th, 2008 414 GMT

If you call killing innocent people, burning down everything in your way a peaceful protest, then you must from planet of the apes.

SeaTurtle   March 19th, 2008 446 GMT

To Americans supporting Tibet uprising, please take care of the Indians on your own land first, the men and women you brutally killed in the name of civilization, and culture you destroyed in the name of god, over the past several hundreds of year.

To all westerners supporting the Tibet cause, please learn some history and think before you talk. Imagine if Tibetan religion was not adopted by the Mongolians and Manchus who then invaded and conquered China, would Tibet ever be a part of Greater China 3-4 hundreds ago? If Tibet was never part of Greater China, imagine the likelyhood it remains an independent “kingdom” or be part of Greater Indea or Greater Britain?

On another note, why not US let go of California or Taxes or Hawaii, to save the culture heritage of Mexicans and native Hawaii people? Brits to let go of nothern Ireland or Scottland by any chance?

Come on, give us Chinese and all of us a break. HH Dalai Lama is a man with wisdom and all Chinese know that. He understands what I just illustrated and changed his views through the year. Chinese government is another topic. You just can’t mix up Chinese people, chinese government and Tibet issue.

Cynthia   March 19th, 2008 516 GMT

DEAR FRIENDS, PLEASE DON’T GIVE ANY COMMENTS BEFORE YOU KNOW THE TRUES !!
The tibetan riots’s actions is a violation to the nation’s sovereignty and human rights! They killed innocent people on the street with extremely crude means, smashed out vehicles and public facilities, torched down private houses, stores and schools! This incident have seriously disrupted order in Lhasa and inflicted heavy losses of lives and property for the people! If these things happened in US, the government will also do the same thing to make a peace world.
China is doing the wright thing. They have no choice.
Have you ever read anything about tibetan history? If not, you don’t have the right to say such thing to defame China.
We should sharply condemned the plot by supporters of the Dalai Lama to attempt to sabotage the stability of Tibet, an autonomous region of China!

Jeff   March 19th, 2008 520 GMT

In my recent travels to China and Tibet, it became painfully clear that the Chinese people have no access to facts, only the official line from the government. Every news source in China is either edited by the government or it is outright prohibited.

Internet traffic is heavily regulated (thanks Yahoo and Google!) When I was in the south of China trying to secure passage to Tibet and running into numerous roadblocks, I tried to get information from the Internet. The only sites available were Chinese tourism sites. No news, no blogs, nothing real about Tibet. The entire wordpress.com domain was blocked so I couldn’t even post to my own travel blog.

The irony that I felt was that, when I spoke to Chinese about Tibet, they spoke about it in the same way we Americans speak about Hawaii. The Chinese government has made it clear that they intend to make Tibet the most traveled tourist destination in the world. When I finally made it to Tibet it was obvious that the Chinese are deliberately and systematically erasing true Tibetan culture and replacing it with a sterilized fantasyland version of Tibet, all nice and tidy for Chinese and foreign tourists to come spend money. I feel for the Tibetan who just wants to live their life in their own culture.

The West has had fifty years to come to the rescue of the Tibetans and we refuse. The US and other western countries make too much money from the cheap prison labor in China to do anything to truly offend the Chinese government.

It would be great if several western countries boycotted some part of the Olympics, perhaps the opening ceremony. The Chinese people could not miss that. As it is, they are completely ignorant of what is happening in Tibet.

Cynthia   March 19th, 2008 527 GMT

Dalai’s description on Lhasa riot ridiculous !
You should know the truth!
They are confusing right and wrong while labeling the riot as “peaceful demonstration”, and slandering efforts of local law enforcement to keeping order as “crackdown on the peaceful demonstration”.I’m so indignant to hear that the Dalai clique and some Westerners called the severe violence as ‘peaceful demonstration’!
You only know how many rioters were killed or injured, do you know how many innocent han Chinese and locals were killed by the rioter??? Much more!!
Why they chose this time to protest China government? It is because they want to undermine image of Beijing’s 2008 Olympic Games! Don’t be cheated, my dear friends…

QZ   March 19th, 2008 627 GMT

Some of you really need to get your head cleared. I mean, according to y’all,

Looting, destruction of property, and assault = human rights
Maintaining public safety and order = oppression

I say, if you loot, if you burn houses, if you blow up vehicles, if you assault others, if you participate in rioting at all, you deserve what you’re getting.

Finally, there is no historical basis for Tibetan independence. Y’all’ve been part of us for centuries, at the least. The PRC simply inherited ownership from previous governments, it was NOT an invasion.

Mike   March 19th, 2008 749 GMT

Oh gee, look at these awful Tibetans rioting and causing such violence to us. Us, who’ve only always tried to help them by eradicating their culture and transplanting Hans there so that we can be the majority there. I say, how dare they?

If you’re so concerned about history, the I guess pretty soon China plans to go after Taiwan, Eastern Russia, Northern India and many others right?

You can only hit someone so many times before they hit you back. You’ve brutalised these Tibetans for so long and they’re obviously tired of it. For almost 50 years, China has been vilifying the Dalai Lama and forcing Tibetans to renounce him and you still can’t break their spirit. God/Buddha Bless Tibet and Tibetans. China, out of Tibet!

Mike   March 19th, 2008 751 GMT

Another thing I want to know is if China doesn’t have anything to hide, why are they expelling you and all other foreign journalist? I hate to think about what’s being done to these Tibetans behind closed doors.

Xoffe   March 19th, 2008 1116 GMT

These riots are one of the last resorts of a population who is loosing
hope for peacefull negociations, and this is the direct result of the PRC government refusal to consider any point of view other than their own. This is what dictatorships do.

The Dalai Lama is right to say that a cultural genocide is taking place, and the PRC Gov hopes they would fade away without saying a word.

How could you trust anything from a government who jails people for what they think and what are? The PRC Gov is accustomed to lying to their people and themselves too, using their deep control of the media to relentlessly present a one sided view of the problem, were the Tibetans are so gratefull of having been invaded, imprisoned and murdered for 60 years. Who would want to be treated as second class citizen in their own lands. This is appartheid.

What can China’s premier present as indisputable evidence that no cultural genocide is taking place or that he represent a positive force for the Tibetan people when even the government official web sites for
the region are only in Chinese?

When are the Chinese people demand real democracy for themselves? What kind of values does a nation who aspires to a great role in the world wants to convey? Does the PRC really believe that their appaling behavior against not only the Tibetans but minorities is going to bring them the trust they expect form the international community?

Chen   March 19th, 2008 1203 GMT

First to all of you crazy Americans, what makes you think all countries want to be like America? What do you think gives Americans the right to criticize the other countries? You Americans took over Hawaii, killed Native Americans even though they were here first, and started the Vietnam War to “contain” communism. Who said America had to take care of everybody’s business? What makes you think people in China care what you have to say?

For all you people bashing China in this blog, more than half of you have never even been in China, so what do you know? Tibet is part of China and you Americans only care because it gives you an opportunity to cry about human rights (even though there is still racial and sex discrimination in America) or democracy (while your presidential canidates are squabbling like babies over candy). Give it up. Seriously.

CNN is biased. Americans are biased. I’m not posting this to try and change your mind. I’m posting this to tell you that the Chinese people laugh at Americans and your so called “morals” and that we could care less about what you think. So do everyone a favor and shut your big fat mouth. Thanks.

zibin yang   March 19th, 2008 1706 GMT

calm down everybody. the situation will quiet down in a few days. I fully understand the frustration on the part of ordinary tibetans. the tough everyday life is hard to endure if they think it is all because of Han Chinese. the reality is, they are much worse off with its old system in which monks are the government. The Chinese government does need to find a better way to coexist with tibetans. One way is to teach every Han Chinese how to respect other cultures. Try not to change other people even if you think their way is the wrong way. Do not spend all that money for tibetan education. Do not pour all the money to Tibet’s infrasture, they don’t appreciate it anyway. they can do all these by themselves. let them be themselves. which is worship monks, worship living gods like Dalai Lama etc.

Jack   March 19th, 2008 1816 GMT

I’m amazed by some of your comments with double standards. Isn’t it crystal clear: facing consequences if you break law? Isn’t it the government’s responsibility to stop violence and to protect civilians? Try to throw a rock at cops in the states, and see what consequences you are going to face.

jamphel   March 19th, 2008 1901 GMT

to cynthia;;;; China is solely responsible for the trouble statred in Tibet, they have been insulting Tibetan for so long that its become so difficult for the tibetan to bear and thank god tibetan kicked the chinese butt.. how you feel now?felt insulted? right?same thing tibetans have been going through for the last 50 yrs or so. next time its going to be in the ccp’s heart. Just for the record HU JINTAO is famously known as the BUTCHER of Lhasa for murdering over 400 innocent Tibetanin 1989. Oh by the way Chinese thought that they bought the loyalty of tibetans by pumping some money into tibet but interestingly Tibetans are not as meterialistic as its chinese counterpart

jamphel   March 19th, 2008 1912 GMT

trouble in lhasa and the olympics are absolutely coincidental, its a 49th anniversary of the lhasa uprising that tibetans have been protesting, bad luck olympic beijing caught in the middle ha!oops! no offence. if chinese wants peace think from tibetans perspective also, not just from arrogant onesided and very cheap narrow thinking, trouble bound to happen again if china thinks they put down the riots

Teresa   March 19th, 2008 2019 GMT

While all of you anti-China Americans are blasting away at China for controlling a “peaceful” riot, Native Americans are languishing on impoverished reservations. Wow guys, I wonder how much mercy your ancestors showed them when they systematically eradicated the Native American culture, slaughtered them like pigs, and forced them onto reservations filled with diseases? So why don’t you all worry about improving the poverty conditions in the Native population, the very population Amercans almost destroyed, before looking at Tibet, which is none of the West’s business? Unlike Tibet, which has been, should I say IS, China, Native Americans never welcomed you invaders. In Tibet however, even the first Dalai Lama was put into position by the Chinese, with a full honor procession. I bet the first Dalai Lama wasn’t complaining!

Why does the West want Tibet independent, and pay the exile monks millions each year, I wonder? Not out of any sympathy, I would think. Should Tibet ever be independent, it’d just be another weak country under the influence of the US and the western powers, to harrass and create trouble for China.

But anyway, if the US returns all the land they took from the Native Americans, especially the Black Hills, gets out of Iraq and Afghanistan, and the British get out of Scotland and Ireland, maybe your reasoning would sound more plausible and less like hypocrisy!

Tre   March 19th, 2008 2036 GMT

Just read a report that 100+ Tibetans have “turned themselves in” and admitted involvement in the riots, as reported by the Chinese media…I guess what China wants us to believe is that they, the 100+, have realized their sins and are now repenting. Absurd. Why is it that the Chinese government thinks that the West will accept as truth any idiotic thing they claim? It’s like dealing with a bad child. The problem is that the west (US for the most part) has buckled in to capitalist greed/big businesses and made trade agreement/appeasements with China. The whole free-trade idea that we have been fed is a classic example of group-think idiocy.

Tre   March 19th, 2008 2044 GMT

“Teresa”, this is just the way with the Chinese government and the Chinese people who believe any comment against the CCP is a racist affront. Every time a criticism of this type is leveled at their actions they always whine that everyone else did it in the distant past and therefore should not criticize. America does not dispute that it treated native Americans poorly. Yes, conditions on the reservations are bad. That is our problem and I, for one, encourage the Chinese government to insist on better treatment of native Americans. But it is absurd and arrogant to make a statement like yours as if it is grounds for rejecting criticism. The actions of the US in the past do not excuse the present actions of your (if you are Chinese) country.

nnepal   March 19th, 2008 2355 GMT

This is specificially to all you proud Chinese or China supporters.

The way your arrogance is displayed is amasing and your knowledge of history truly ‘Chinese’. Being someone from China’s good neighbour, I always loved China, long before the west started loving China for its economy. I used to be proud as if it were my own country on its economic development. That was before I read about the Dalami Lama and I remind you, it was just not one book from one biased western writer or biased CNN. And it hurt me to the core the way chinese treated the Dalai Lama and my respect for China has never recovered. For me China is no better or worst then america is only that in America you have at least the right to free speech though it is fast eroding away.
Coming to the point, what I dont get is the way you people try to ignore facts as bias just because it doesnt suit your arrogant beliefs based possibly on strictly controlled media and your sense of patriotism. Its same with all people, be it chinese or americans or tibetans. The fact is clear that the Dalai lama has already abadoned any possibility of independence for which he is being already hated by his own radicals and yet still, you people accuse him of useless nonsense of which he has challenged your government to show proof. And all your Dictators do is repeat the rhetoric, so that is what is factual for you I think cause it strikes your cord.
There are historical facts like the war between Tibet and Nepal as a two nations in which at one time the tibetans called for chinese support when they started loosing the battle. But that was history and if we go back to history, we will neve reach anywhere as every country has its own bitter share of genocides and wrong doings. And if they are given true autonomy with dalai lama returning to tibet, the people wanting independence will be almost non existent. But I do not think the rising Dragon will consider because of its arrogance created by its ultra fast economic boom as history has repetedly shown us from Rome to America empire, the arrogance of empires never lets it deal with reality in a balanced way.
The way the PRC is controlling the media will never let any unbiased facts be shown to the world as the world and one sees outright hypocrisy of claim others are biased when someone reads your comments which labels all the protestors as criminals and nothing more.
No sane mind will ever support killing a Han chinese in the street as a sign to show anger over anything. And no sane mind will also ever agree treating tibetans as 2nd class citizen in their own land and putting them in jail just for having the photo of dalai lama without ever thinking the fact that he is more of a spiritual guide to the tibetans then a political guide. The violence we are seeing is a people on the edge doing random acts to outpour their fraustration and its no wonder that it has happen.
In the end, do not try to be the proffessors of history by labelling everyone a biased westener with no knowledge of china whatsoever by showing one or two bits of history which itself doesnt hold a complete truth. I pray that all the lives lost on both sides wont be in vain and wish that they can live side by side accepting some concessions for their mutual coexistence.
Thank you.

John   March 20th, 2008 251 GMT

You guys must have a deathwish or something. The Chinese will put you down and not even think twice about it. Be careful!

-John
http://www.patrioticactivist.com

Ayse   March 20th, 2008 1501 GMT

….Meanwhile Britney Spears was getting her usual dose of Starbucks this morning and ….oops not so important when you see what’s going down in Tibet. Thank God that the news organisations have got their priorities right and are focused on Tibet.

david   March 20th, 2008 2354 GMT

Someone said the US media and US government is not biased. Let me tell you the truth.

All my comments are censored and a lot of them didn’t get published by CNN.

The US public just hears the news from major news network. The new networks filtered the news and make them pleasible to the US public. There are many political and economic reasons for that. One major reason is money. Who wants to pay for Ads on a new media no public has an interest in or willing to hear.

Voice of America increased their boardcasting by 2 hours into Tibet to spread more rumors and stir up more riots. What a waste of US tax payer’s money!

What the Voice of America should do is to increase their boardcasting by 10 hours and strongly denounce the violence and tell these rioters to restrain from violence, IF the US government is really for the world peace.

George W. Bush should come out and denounce the violence of Tibetan rioters.

Dala Lamai is a Noble Peace Price Owner! He should come out and strongly denounce the violence of Tibetan rioters.

The Chinese are treating the Tibetans just like the US government is treating the American Indian: Giving them more money, better education, more jobs than their ordinary citizens. American Indians also wants to be independence. Do they dare to vow to violence in the US? No. The US government will put them down and send them to jail in NO TIME! If the police is not enough, the US government will send in National Guard for them. National Guard is just another name of US army.

If John McCain could install the US presence in Iraqi for 100 years, half way across the Globe, this is nothing wrong for the Chinese Army to be sent in and for the Chinese government to send these rioters to jail. Did the US government send the National Guard into L.A. during the L.A. riot?

There is a new flash every so often on TV about how many US soilders dead in Iraqi, 4000+ up. No one in the US public knows exactly how many Iraqi civilians dead. The US government and Iraqi government must have an estimate. But they don’t publish it and no new media cares to publish. Occasionally, there is a news put that number in 60,000+ to 160,000+ to 600,000+.

The US public is brainwashed by the new medias. Some of them chose to believe what they want to hear by choice.

Teresa   March 21st, 2008 200 GMT

“Tre”, yes, I am Chinese by blood, and also American by birth. Who can dismiss a genocide as the “distant past”? Who has the right to judge something as the “distant past”? Why don’t you go on an impoverished reservation and ask the Native Americans if their dismal conditions are the “distant past”, or what they have to live through every day???

Unlike the US treatment of Natives, there was no genocide in Tibet. Not that the Communist Chinese government isn’t without a lot of major problem, but since reclaiming Tibet, it has brought progress to the people. Before, all they knew was the slavesmasters’ whip. The very monks who preached peace were the ones who held the whip. China brought the general population, most of which consisted of serfs and slaves, liberation and land. China built schools and roads and hospitals, none of which were before available.

Constructive criticism should be taken of course. There are many many problems in the Communist government. But on the Tibet issue, the West is too biased/arrogant/self-righteous/ignorant. You judge without full knowledge, basing your views on a few articles and the words of one Dalai Lama. Do you know where the Dalai Lama would be had the People’s Liberation Army not entered Tibet? Yes, he’d be sitting comfortably on the backs of his slaves, while watching a serf who displeased him have his tongue ripped out as punishment. The monks are really angry because all their land was redistributed to the serfs by China.

Asian   March 21st, 2008 831 GMT

US House Speaker Nancy Pelosi bravely met Dalai Lama and told reporters that freedom-loving people around the world would lose their rights to speak out morally against human rights abuses if they don’t speak out against China’s oppression in Tibet.

I think more tibetans in china will survive in virtue of her brave action.
It there is really karma or God, I really hope that you and many freedom-speaking out people are blessed..

david   March 21st, 2008 2141 GMT

It is funny watching the US House of Representative Speaker Nancy Pelosi to be with Dala Lamai asking all Nations to denounce Chinese government for executing its authority to arrest Tibetan rioters. Why she didn’t denounce the violence of these Tibetan rioters?

Nancy Pelosi should go to Palestine to be with Hama’s leader and ask all Nations to denounce Israel’s Siege of Gaza and to denounce Israeli army’s bombing and killing of innocent Palestine people. Israel has taken the Arabic land for 50 years and made the Palestine people 2nd class citizens in their own land and made them to live in poverty for 50 years.

But Nancy Pelosi and the US government wouldn’t do that because US is Israel’s friend. The US government claims Israel is the only “democracy” in middle east and that is the reason why it is with Israelis.

However, Palestines hold a free election and Hama won the election last year. The US government and European nations immediately cut off the aids to Palestines and refused to recognize the freely elected Hama’s government because Hama vows to use violence against Israelis.

The truth is “OIL” and “CONTROLLING THE WORLD”, nothing to do with “democracy” or “freedom-loving” or “human-right” or “peaceful demonstrations”. The US and European governments want to control the WORLD and use the world’s resource to their wishes. Even the US Federal Reserve Chairman (Chairman of the US Central Bank) said publicly that G.W. Bush started the Iraqi war for “OIL”.

If Tibet is separated from China, it would be easier for US, UK and European governments to control the world. The rest of the world are all split into small pieces. That is the reason why the Western countries are supporting the independence of Kosovo, Georgian, etc.

By the way, when Israeli army bombed the Gaza, Israelis also sealed off the Gaza to protect the safety of western journalists. Gaza was not re-opened until the bombing site is cleaned off. Why the US government didn’t want to go to Gaza to get a first hand truth immediately.

Don’t worry, the Chinese are sealing off the Tibet to protect these western journalists’ safety. Tibet will be re-opened later once the riot clams down.

To freedom-loving people all over the world, don’t listen to these westerners’ bull-shitting.

To Chinese government, do whatever you can and protect your nation and your peaceful citizens.

david   March 21st, 2008 2205 GMT

To those Tibetans want to be independent, be careful with what you are asking for.

The Western countries just want Tibet to be separated so they can control Tibet easier. Initial, the Western countries may give you some financial aids but not for long. Eventually, a poor Tibetan economy will be too big a bag to carry. Tibetans may end up with no food to eat and live in poorer conditions than they have today without the annual injections of funds from Chinese central government. It is most likely better off for the Tibetans to live peacefully with their neighbors and being part of an integrated economy which is growing.

Most of those Tibetans-in-exile or living in Western countries are from the elite groups who used to be Tibetan slave-owners or their off-springs. Of course they want an independent Tibet so they can return to their old glory.

Teresa   March 22nd, 2008 013 GMT

well said, david! It’s so comforting to see that not everyone has their common sense robbed by the biased media!

Xi   March 27th, 2008 030 GMT

These people are not allowed to hurt a fly, is it fair to come at them with tanks?

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I don’t know if they hurt flies, but they do hurt people. See how those monks attack civilians in the video taken by Australian tourists? Oh sorry, nevermind. I forgot you guys have cencorship in your countries.

chinaman   March 27th, 2008 726 GMT

Yes it is the end of the road for non-violence. The Chinese Govt says that there is religious freedom. Who are they trying to fool. They have in their prison a (now a young man) child taken away from Tibet to lord knows where a child who was recognised as the Penchen Lama. In his place the Chinese Govt installed their imposter and still they are shamelessly saying that their is religious freedom in Tibet. When every monastery in Tibet has to follow the Government’s rules and they limit the number of monks into monasteries etc what freedom is there. When they do not allow the Dalai Lama into Tibet inspite of him stating all over the world that he is not seeking independence What freedom is there.

Today why are Tibetans still fleeing from Tibet into Nepal and India. It is because they do not have any freedom of any type in Tibet. China inspite of claiming to be a SUPER POWER is afraid of a lone Monk who practices non-violence and tells his people to love all humans as brothers and sisters and more so the enemies.
What SUPER POWER

Its time the younger generation of Tibetans thought about the non-violent approach. As much as the Dalai Lama is loved and respected by the Tibetans its time they thought of other methods to attain their goals. As much as one would not want to see violence and bloodshed the question to be asked is are the Tibetans still going for slaughter like cattles. Its time for them to think of paying back violence with violence with interest. The aim should be 100 for 1 and in the heartland where it hurts the most. Better to be branded as terrorists than to be killed and imprisoned like animals.

Teresa   March 28th, 2008 2012 GMT

Haha, what a joke! The Dalai Lama, nonviolent? Yeah right. Monks, non-violent? Yeah right. Have you seen the videos of shrieking monks pounding down doors and breaking into stores, as well as beating innocent civilians?

Wake up! There is no crackdown by the Chinese government in Tibet! There are, however, some screaming criminals burning people alive! Have you seen pictures of how the Chinese police simply block the way and huddle pitifully behind their shields while rocks are being pelted on them? Have you seen videos of crying familes mourning the deaths of innocent people, burned alive in buildings by the rioters? NO, OF COURSE YOU HAVEN’T!!!!!! The biased western media, especially CNN, would never show these aspects! I wonder who are the ones being brain-washed???

Alison Britt   March 30th, 2008 1645 GMT

PLEASE don’t boycott the Olympics U.S. One, it didn’t really do a thing when we boycotted Russia, and secondly these athletes have been in training for years and soe of them are as young as 14 or 15. It won’t make any defference if we’re not there, but for some this will be their only chance to participate. I have lived in countries with sanctions. It didn’t do a thing. The governments are fine as they appropriate all the money and luxuiries they need no matter what. Look at Cuba. Did sanctions do anything for that country, but hurt the people?

Chen   March 30th, 2008 2102 GMT

You Americans are all backstabbing hypocrites. When China was weak, you looked down upon us. When we are strong, you take advantage of us and still laugh at us. When we are stronger than you, you’ll be sorry. Westerners never appreciated China, you never respected us, you took advantage of our cheap prices and laborers, then you talk about “civil rights”; you stole the ancient carving in the silk road; you do cheap trade with us; and yet you still talk about us behind our backs. Who is the hypocrite? What gives you the right to take control of everything?

The Chinese people are not ignorant. Why do you think most Chinese are smart, hardworking, talented people? We know that hard work leads to success. But you Americans take everything for granted. So you don’t appreciate anything. All your government cares about is oil and political dominance. But since your economy is going down the drain, guess what, no one cares what you think. Get over yourself.

Ernest   April 2nd, 2008 959 GMT

The Tibetans have lived alone for centuries. Living isolated molesting nobody. They have not even asked for alms from anybody choosing to live simply and frugally. They can never be a threat to any country much more China. Why make them want what they can not be.

China has been issuing propaganda about the rest of the world as capitalist and authoritarian. Yet what are they doing to Tibet?

Free Tibet. Let them live in peace. They have already stayed for centuries in the most isolated and harshest condition in the world. Why China? Don’t you have too much already?

Teresa   April 4th, 2008 2105 GMT

Ernest, please get that image of peaceful monks living side by side with happy Tibetan people in a society without crime and hate out of your mind. Living isolate…yes. Isolated in slavery, poverty, disease and death. Did you know that 95% of the old Tibet population were serfs or slaves? Did you know that the 5% were the elite nobles and monks, foremost of all the lamas? Did you know that in every 1000 children born more than 400 died? Did you know that the lamas or nobles could demand to sleep with a girl before the girl could marry someone? Did you know that because it is banned to kill in Buddism, the lamas would beat a person to the brink of death, then leave him/her’s fate for “the gods to decide”? Get the real facts, not the paradise myth!

Instead of focusing on the progress China has made in Tibet, the western media only knows how to distort the truth about the recent riots. If the Dalai Lama were to regain power, just wait for the return of brutal theocracy.

hopeless   April 6th, 2008 2138 GMT

I am an overseas Chinese and I feel sorry for the Tibetans. Many common Chinese were ignorant of the sufferings you might have experienced. By being violent and hurting innocent Chinese civilians in the riots, you have lost the possibility of gaining sympathy from the Chinese. By having the Tibetans in exile threatening even more violence, contrary to what Dalai Lama wishes, it is now next to impossible for the Chinese government to want to talk to the government in exile. The Chinese people in China feel threatened and they support their government to protect their security. By turning so many Chinese against you, what is your hope of gaining more respect, let alone independence, from the Chinese? Stop the violence and do not hurt civilians, please.

jack   April 9th, 2008 1212 GMT

John,

I was a student 20 years ago at Tian An Meng square. I hated our goverement so much by then and didn’t trust any thing the Chinese goverment said.

Now I work in London and have full access to so called fair report.At first I was very angry at you and your completely biased report. Now I don’t feel angry any more because I no long have trust on your guys.

Don’t be like CNN

Jack London

Guonan   April 27th, 2008 447 GMT

I notice some of the blog topics at the CNN website suddenly disappeared in the past few days.

I respect that a reporter may have his or her preferred “personal stance”, but would be very disappointed when quite a number of the dominant westen medias “report” in a systematically biased, distorted and manipulated manner. For instance, check out the link for the India-based Centre for Research on Globalisation.

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=viewArticle&code=20080415&articleId=8697

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